Since I was five I always had the theory that - laugh me out - some sort of aliens came and made us apes slightly more intelligent. Actually when you read the bible that's the first thing that comes to mind (at least to mine it came).
Not that I'm going to defend this opinion in any way. I couldn't anyways without doing some real research, this is just a under-the-pillow guess.
Is this a mostly an atheist board.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 12:54 AM
ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:14 AM
Nice theory there.
The moral of that story is do drugs?
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:33 PM
I'm an atheist not only because I believe religion is the source of all evil in the world, but because I believe it is physically impossible for there to be any supreme being.
nice scapegoat religion huh?
replace religion wiv human nature i.e. greed and stupidity would be more adept in a personal opinion
believing in anything is fine, its when it affects other in a negative way e.g. wars, terrorism, racism, letter bombs, etc that it becomes lethal.
Its like Pal Pot and Cambodia believing in a pre-capitalist world is nice but controlling how people move, act and even think in such personal human issues like love or what not is wrong to me personally but in this society there is no wrong or right just grey.
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 12:16 PM
Since I was five I always had the theory that - laugh me out - some sort of aliens came and made us apes slightly more intelligent. Actually when you read the bible that's the first thing that comes to mind (at least to mine it came).
Not that I'm going to defend this opinion in any way. I couldn't anyways without doing some real research, this is just a under-the-pillow guess.
Have you ever seen the movie "2001: A Space Odessey" because that is exactly how that movie starts.....a big black block appears on earth one day, and the monkeys that touch it start using tools and evolve into humans.....you find out in the end that aliens sent the big black things to earth.
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 03:40 PM
Nope, I haven't seen it. To be frank those were my personal thoughts, since I just couldn't bear to understand how could something be "there but not quite there".
ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 05:32 PM
1. No evidence of god.Or Buddha. Or anything else like that. God should be capitalized.
2. Plenty of evidence in science. (But I think the Big Bang is bullcrap.) So... where did everything (including science) come from?
3. If God really loved us, would we need to worship Him? This makes me think he's power0hungry, meaning He is not perfect, meaning he must not be omnipowerful and omnipotent. God never demands worship, but is given it because he deserves it, and because we love Him
4. If God really loved us, would He send us to Hell? He's omniBENEVOLENT, after all. He forgives everything, supposedly. We have to ask for forgiveness (pay attention in sunday school); if we ask it's given freely
5. If He really existed, why would the KKK/Taliban/other idiots exist? Is that His fualt, or ours?
6. If He exists, why are there other religions? Because we're too stupid to believe what He says
By the way, I'm a complete and total christian, and a good amount of my time is taken up by Youth-Group and AWANA (a kids ministry, in which kids memorize verses, play games and (sometimes) get awards)
2. Plenty of evidence in science. (But I think the Big Bang is bullcrap.) So... where did everything (including science) come from?
3. If God really loved us, would we need to worship Him? This makes me think he's power0hungry, meaning He is not perfect, meaning he must not be omnipowerful and omnipotent. God never demands worship, but is given it because he deserves it, and because we love Him
4. If God really loved us, would He send us to Hell? He's omniBENEVOLENT, after all. He forgives everything, supposedly. We have to ask for forgiveness (pay attention in sunday school); if we ask it's given freely
5. If He really existed, why would the KKK/Taliban/other idiots exist? Is that His fualt, or ours?
6. If He exists, why are there other religions? Because we're too stupid to believe what He says
By the way, I'm a complete and total christian, and a good amount of my time is taken up by Youth-Group and AWANA (a kids ministry, in which kids memorize verses, play games and (sometimes) get awards)
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 05:42 PM
AOWR took he words right out of my mouth. Nicley said. Another reason so many religons. 100 people read the same book and 100 diffrent opinions are on that book. HEncing diffrent releigons.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 05:43 PM
Because we're too stupid to believe what He says
Are you saying that any religion that does not believe in god is stupid? That is why I don't respect religion very much....a lot of it is misenterpretted and promotes close-mindedness.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 08:18 PM
Do you really want the answer to that? I mean, I'd really hate to ruin relationships with people right off.
And by the way; it is MISINTERPETTED, not wrong.
One main problem is people taking things out of context. You know, like you just did. Read the sentence before that, please.
And by the way; it is MISINTERPETTED, not wrong.
One main problem is people taking things out of context. You know, like you just did. Read the sentence before that, please.
Edited by AOWR, 29 June 2006 - 08:20 PM.
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:25 PM
I'm a spiritualist. I don't believe or follow one exact religion but i believe all religions have symbolic wisdom for mankind. I also believe in Karma (cause and effect another term in another perspective for it), but thats another story.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:27 PM
I think we need a board that is for religous items only, then we could have this discussion alot easier
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:34 PM
Meh, if anything I'm a philosopher. I don't follow any religion and am against most of 'em..
I think of my own perceptions of life, lose from fantasy things like souls, gods and all that stuff that really can't be proven anyways.
I also don't let my views be corrupted by what people want me to believe (e.g. if my family's catholic then I should be a catholic).
I'll tell you why, because the Bible and all that dung is made up by some prehistoric fellows who were just pulling thing out of their ass because of their lack of knowledge.
I think of my own perceptions of life, lose from fantasy things like souls, gods and all that stuff that really can't be proven anyways.
I also don't let my views be corrupted by what people want me to believe (e.g. if my family's catholic then I should be a catholic).
Says who?God should be capitalized.
Where did dinosauruses come from? Why aren't they mentioned in Genesis?So... where did everything (including science) come from?
I'll tell you why, because the Bible and all that dung is made up by some prehistoric fellows who were just pulling thing out of their ass because of their lack of knowledge.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:41 PM
Religion is a philosophy. Deep thought is for religion, religion cannot be taken entirely at face value, otherwise you get powerbases as what happened in the middle ages with the vatican, then and still now one of the most corrupt organisations that exists.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:46 PM
1. No evidence of god.Or Buddha. Or anything else like that. God should be capitalized.
That is possibly the stupidest, worst, and weakest reply I have ever seen to such a simple, strong, and powerufl argument.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:52 PM
First: The book of Job makes mention of a dinasour: The Behemoth. And a dragon: The Leviathon.
Second: You want evidence of God?
How about this:
The sun operates off of atomic fission. It decreases in diameter 2-4 feet-per-hour.
At that rate, about fifty-thousand years ago the earth would have been encased in flame.
We had to have been created less than fifty-thousand years ago.
Hows that?
Second: You want evidence of God?
How about this:
The sun operates off of atomic fission. It decreases in diameter 2-4 feet-per-hour.
At that rate, about fifty-thousand years ago the earth would have been encased in flame.
We had to have been created less than fifty-thousand years ago.
Hows that?
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:54 PM
Dragon could symbolise more than dinasour. If we were created less than 50,000 years ago then how would we have written a book based on the dinosaurs with died out millions of year before. Your trying to prove a point with inconsistance arguments.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:56 PM
HOw about that's utter and complete hogwash?
The moral of that story is do drugs?
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:58 PM
Dinasours didn't die out millions of years ago.
Our tests for soil ages don't work, because we have no way of knowing how much time anythingg represents without observing how much it changes in that amount of time.
Our tests for soil ages don't work, because we have no way of knowing how much time anythingg represents without observing how much it changes in that amount of time.
Into the fires of Orodruin,
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
The One must be cast
This is the price that must be paid,
Only thus its power will be undone
Only thus, a great evil, unmade
There is no other choice.
There is no other way.
One of you must take it,
One of you must pay.
Mi naurath Orodruin
Boe hedi i vin
Han i vengad i moe ben bango
Sin eriol natha tur in ugarnen
Sin eriol um beleg ugannen
U cilith 'war.
U men 'war.
Boe min mebi,
Boe min bango.
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:59 PM
Do you have thorough scientific proof of that?
OLD SIG
When history witnesses a great change Razgriz reveals itself,
first as a dark demon. As a demon it uses it power to rain death upon the land,
and then it dies. However after a period of slumber Razgriz returns
As the demon sleeps, man turns on man.
Its own blood, and madness soon cover the earth.
From the depths of despair awaken the Razgriz.
Its raven wings ablaze in majestic light.
Amidst the eternal waves of time
From a ripple of change shall the storm rise
Out of the abyss peer the eyes of a demon
Behold the Razgriz, its wings of black sheath
The demon soars through the dark skies
Fear and Death trail its shadow beneath
Until Men united wield a hallowed sabre
In Final Reckoning, the beast is slain.
Razgriz intrerpretation
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Posted 29 June 2006 - 10:59 PM
1. No evidence of god.Or Buddha. Or anything else like that. God should be capitalized.
2. Plenty of evidence in science. (But I think the Big Bang is bullcrap.) So... where did everything (including science) come from?
3. If God really loved us, would we need to worship Him? This makes me think he's power0hungry, meaning He is not perfect, meaning he must not be omnipowerful and omnipotent. God never demands worship, but is given it because he deserves it, and because we love Him
4. If God really loved us, would He send us to Hell? He's omniBENEVOLENT, after all. He forgives everything, supposedly. We have to ask for forgiveness (pay attention in sunday school); if we ask it's given freely
5. If He really existed, why would the KKK/Taliban/other idiots exist? Is that His fualt, or ours?
6. If He exists, why are there other religions? Because we're too stupid to believe what He says
By the way, I'm a complete and total christian, and a good amount of my time is taken up by Youth-Group and AWANA (a kids ministry, in which kids memorize verses, play games and (sometimes) get awards)
1. Says...? And that stops my argument HOW...?
2. That is unknown. I nthat regard, I am agnostic. However, the science like "hot air ballons fly" has been proven.
3. I don't, as he doesn't exist. Not to mention I've read some Bibles saying if you don't you go to Hell...
4. Then he's powerhungry.
5. His. Why? Because HE made us.
6. And you prove He is right how?
The moral of that story is do drugs?
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