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[AOWR-Theoo Stratiotes]

My dad's are the only ramblings I've heard from pastors that are insane.

[Hostile]

I have many answers to tie theology and science together, go fetch your pastor, I have many proclomations for him. I've brewed on the science vs religion for decades. So I'm ready for a general discussion.

Name the time and place, and we'll discuss how science reinforces religion which reinforces science. I'm ready to teach a few people a few things to make them ponder.

IF you take science and try to prove religion wrong, you'll come to a point of chaos. But if you take religion and try to back it with science you'll find some things like the "Firmament" are totaly scientifically provable.

For example check this high level scientist. Carl Baugh, I've read his words along the way for some time, agree with most of it. But like many people I'm sure you would throw his book across the room as quickly as Christians would throw The Davinci Code across the room.

So in the end I've found by reading both sides of the story, I've gained alot of insite. While many of you all are either blindly Christian, or blindly athiest.

In summary, I believe in God, not corrupted by man's words or actions, and I'm not athiest based on the idea that there simply is no God. The sheer logic of the human essence knows theres a God.

You can be a scientist who logically rules out God. You can be a religious person who rules out the obvious science. But if you all were able to entertain the thoughts of keeping an open mind and trying to view each side...

I believe you'l find you are asking the same questions and getting the same answers...

[Banshee]

Which is hardly unique. It just has to do with subtle percentages and genetic transcription factors... so basically your genes determine predisposition to emotions. It's who raises you, and external influences, which make you susceptible to the maniacal ramblings of preachers.

Yea, but genes are in each cell. Remember that when a cell reproduces, there are chances of mistakes and genes get lightly modified. So, they can differ on each cell.

Anyway, back to my point. An entity doesn't need to have life by itself. But if there are living creatures in it, it will make it looks like it live, constantly envolving.

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A global behaviour is actually a sum of local behaviours.

In physics, when you study particles, the whole object energy is the sum of the energy from all particles.

In maths, when you integrate a function, you find its area, which is the sum of all ▲x with each ▲x tending to 0.
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So, in short, this widely used scientific thought can be used to explain that a behaviour/life/development of an entity is the sum of the behaviour/life/development of all particles from it.

With this way, you can think of universe as a living creature. Hard to imagine, heh?

[Calamity_Jones]

that's actually a rather interesting theory, that could explain some of these bizzare phenomena like where one twin knows the other is in trouble...

However, as always, I am prepared to believe science because I do not believe religion has achieved anything that prospers and advances mankind throughout the entirety of human existance. Yes, some scientists were religious...

I totally embrace this increasing level of apathy that is growing around the world towards organised religion, the sooner we grow up the better. Now, I said organised religion, I have no problems with Banshee's quite fascinating theory, but I do have a problem with churches still trying to dominate the world, which they do.

I was walking through Liverpool town centre not long ago, just before I came back to yorkshite, and this hideous old fart was stood in the city centre with a big sign saying "JESUS WILL RETURN" or some nonsense along them lines. He was with another hideous decrepid monster too who was... singing... Yes, singing. The fact that his voice was utterly unsuited for singing didn't deter him. So, they stood there, screaming out threats and bible verses in pretty much equal quantities, and not a single sodding person took heed...

But really... if you can become that screwed in the noggin, there's no way I'm going to church. Ever. Bring on the fire and brimstone baby!

"And Lucifer said: "Let there be heavy metal", and there was, and he saw that it was good."

Edited by Calamity_Jones, 01 July 2006 - 11:54 AM.

[AOWR-Theoo Stratiotes]

Isaac NEwton, one of the founders of modern science, was a christain. (as were the founders of this country).

[Ash]

That says nothing. Religion has always been an enemy of science purely because science contradicts religion at many points.

Religion has Genesis, science has evolution. The two do not overlap. This is one example of why I consider religion to be answers for that which could not be explained rationally at the time. With the advancements of science, religion has ended up taking a back foot, as it turns out those scientists were not only right, they proved much of what the Bible said to be false.

Of course, there are those who refute science altogether. They're called Creationists, and I'm not quite sure how they get by. I mean, what do they do if their car breaks down? Pray to God that it gets fixed?

[MSpencer]

And so was Einstein. I'm not stating that no great scientists were ever Christians, I'm stating that the idea of science and the idea of religion are often completely opposed, especially when certain people attempt to impose their religion upon scientific study.
Oh, and that I don't believe its physically possible for there to be a god. It just seems absolutely implausible, and through certain logical laws, it is impossible.

[AOWR-Theoo Stratiotes]

I thought Einstein was a Jew?

[MSpencer]

Er, yes, but he was religious. Neils Bohr was a Christian to my knowledge, and J. Robert Oppenheimer was also. But that still proves nothing, Christianity is two steps and one book from Judaism.

[Destroyer]

If you take everything in the bible literally, you're going to have a hell of a time being a scientist. If you take it as stories that teach you to be a better person, you're quite fine.

[duke_Qa]

"I do not feel obliged to believe the the same God who endowed us with Sense, Reason, and Intellect had also intended us to forego their use"
-Galileo Galilei

quickly sums things up imo. civ4 is a nice game for good historic quotes

Edited by duke_Qa, 02 July 2006 - 12:18 AM.

[MSpencer]

Yeah, 'cept they misquoted a couple people. One of them was the Franklin quote about giving up a little liberty, something he never actually said.

[duke_Qa]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


well i can't say that the meaning is lost because of that. its hard to tell when you have lost just a little, or just little too much

[Tom]

I disagree with Ash's statement. Open minded religion does not conflict with science only close minded religion, same the other way around. Open minded science does not conflict with religion only close minded science. Its all down to views, none of it is truth, its merely just beliefs.

[narcismo316]

Do you really want the answer to that? I mean, I'd really hate to ruin relationships with people right off.

And by the way; it is MISINTERPETTED, not wrong.

One main problem is people taking things out of context. You know, like you just did. Read the sentence before that, please.

ole!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by narcismo316, 06 July 2006 - 04:21 AM.

[narcismo316]

I thought Einstein was a Jew?

you have done a most admirable job on this topic (although it's the wrong thread for yor dissussion), these people have no GOD , to argue with a person who has no GOD or faith is pointless. all of the grey areas in your discussion are easy to cover. just fill them in with your faith.without faith you have a void in your soul(which turnes to anger),as you can see.soo who needs proof when you have faith.
PROOVE ME WRONG

Because we are not in (your) church and we actually have questions about your inbred religious bollocks..?
Dude what world do you live in? How corrupted and distorted is your view by that AWANA anyways? o_O

THAT WAS JUST RUDE AND UNWARRENTED. THIS ISI'NT A SITE FOR TRADING INSULTS!

I thought Einstein was a Jew?

you have done a most admirable job on this topic (although it's the wrong thread for yor dissussion), these people have no GOD , to argue with a person who has no GOD or faith is pointless. all of the grey areas in your discussion are easy to cover. just fill them in with your faith.without faith you have a void in your soul(which turnes to anger),as you can see.soo who needs proof when you have faith.
PROOVE ME WRONG

Because we are not in (your) church and we actually have questions about your inbred religious bollocks..?
Dude what world do you live in? How corrupted and distorted is your view by that AWANA anyways? o_O

THAT WAS JUST RUDE AND UNWARRENTED. THIS ISI'NT A SITE FOR TRADING INSULTS!

TRY STARTING A NEW THREAD. I'D LOVE TO REPLY.

[Pyth]

1. So yo uare willing to submit to unproved crap? And I ca ntel lyo uthere's no anger ina voisd in me...

2. He's saying he has questions.

Edit: And I started a new thread. An ORGANIZED debate.

Edited by Pyth, 06 July 2006 - 05:45 AM.

[Calamity_Jones]

You religious people like the caps lock key don't you.

Do they teach you in brainwash school to always defend your stupidity (and simultaneously reinforce it) with the caps lock key?

[Blodo]

you have done a most admirable job on this topic (although it's the wrong thread for yor dissussion), these people have no GOD , to argue with a person who has no GOD or faith is pointless. all of the grey areas in your discussion are easy to cover. just fill them in with your faith.without faith you have a void in your soul(which turnes to anger),as you can see.soo who needs proof when you have faith.
PROOVE ME WRONG

Sure. Just look at yourself, and how angry you are because people refuse to follow your bollocks. Proves your whole theory wrong, that religion dissipates anger.

Oh and if you want some more proof, try looking at suicide bombers. AFAIK theyre doing it in the name of their religion. And don't even start with crap such as "christianity is different" because it's not.

[Banshee]

I do have a God, but I don't need to follow blindly the Torah, the Bible or the Koran. Religion is a way of live, not a blind faith. The blind faith is a consequence of how some people wrongly deal with it. Learn it.