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[Paladin58]

Yay! Now is the time for investing in bunkers, as this will turn into WWIII... Damn Lebanese... They just can't let Palestine and Israel squabble...

[chemical ali]

The likely outcome is that it will escalate due to the Syrian and Iranian intervention, the Israelis can mobalise 2 million people if they need be and many more Jewish people from across the World like in the Six Day War when Israel was nearly defeated. We are now looking at the closest possiblity of WW3 occuring and the Middle East under a nice radioactive glass car park.

[Blodo]

I'm just waiting for Iran to join in the fun.

The funny thing is Isrealis are fighting over land that is not theirs. Theyre looking for excuses to conquer Palestine, meanwhile they should be the unrecognised country. They aren't legitimate and they are more warmongering than the entire arab middle east combined. It's not the Lebanese that is to blame, it's Israel. If full scale war comes out of this, they will all be to blame.

Short - they're gonna get what's coming to them. I hope the criminal Sharon and his government full of nazi's die a humiliating death for leading their people to a disaster.

[duke_Qa]

as much as i would back up newtons theory of gravity. its about as obvious that Israels Improportionate counter-attack on the Gaza strip would have caused a few hot-heads out there to take it personal. now they've just leveled up the troubles by using the same tactic against Lebanon. who will be next? Syria and Jordan most likely, Iran might in the worst case scenario send soldiers, but then they need to get some logistics over there which seems hard with Iraq in the way.

Damn Lebanese... They just can't let Palestine and Israel squabble...

yeah, darn Lebanese, i'm sure they love being shot and killed by the droves because a relatively minor group of fundamentalists thought that it would be cool to make the world a worse place by attacking a completely innocent country. /sarcasm

as in the Gaza strip, it seems that Israel believes that if someone attacks from one area, everybody in that area has the same opinion. thus they punish everyone in the area, even if its an entire country... And as i said earlier in some thread, how happy would people in here be if they got bombed because of a small group of white-supremacists executed some black people? i don't think you would be too pleased...



on a subtopic, the UN Security Council tried to condemn Israels disproportionate use of force today, but got vetoed by, surprize surprize, the USA. its the first veto in the security council for two years. 10 countries voted for, 4 voted blank, [Link]


edit:

also, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is warning Israel that if they attack Syria, "it would be the same as an attack on the entire muslim world, and will be met with a terrible answer". this apparently was from a telephone call the Syrian and Irani presidents had this evening after the Israelis bombed a road between the capitol of Lebanon and Damaskus in Syria.

keeps on getting better, doesnt it?

Edited by duke_Qa, 13 July 2006 - 11:21 PM.

[MSpencer]

You know, this Lebanon thing isn't really new. A couple months ago, the IAF bombed the hell out of some targets in Syria. Things like this have been going on for the past 40 years, it's not going to result in the total destruction of the Middle East. If anything, it's close to normality there.

[duke_Qa]

minor bombing of a group that has a tendency to attack Israel yes. bombing of the capitol, roads, the only international airport, and civillian targets, wtf?

what Israel is doing right now is a counter-attack on every one they imagine is their enemy, which is directly idiotic because they will hit people who have nothing to do with the case, and they will make more enemies than they had before.

also, there are some news which does not seem 100% confirmed yet that says that 4 Brazilians have been killed by Israeli bombs. this apparently came from Israeli radio news somewhere though, so it might be true. there are plenty of foreign people down in Lebanon it seems, so the chances for Israel messing up and bombing them is quite high. it would not look good if Israel started bombing people just visiting.



we'll see how this escalates now.

[chemical ali]

Iran could strike Israel with missiles and aircraft, but I doubt they'll get through the Israeli defenses. Let's just hope the Israeli government calms down.

And then Israel would proberly strike with nuclear weaponry making Iran a nice big radioactive glass carpark.

The situation is getting worse the Lebanse will not be able to hold up anymore before their government falls.

[Blodo]

And I suppose using nuclear weapons will bring them fame and fortune. Pff, the aids from the US that they're getting should stop at a whim because of world opinion. They'd be alone surrounded by legions of arabs. I'd be funny.

[duke_Qa]

if Israel used nukes on someone because of a situation they nicely got themselves into, you can expect the international world to fuck them and let those who don't like them wipe them off the map.




edit: it will be interesting to see if i can get into the states on vacation the next few years with these topics on the net

Edited by duke_Qa, 14 July 2006 - 07:48 PM.

[Silent_Killa]

Well, looks like Hezbollah lit up an Israeli ship of some sort with a UAV and four soldiers are missing. I figure by the looks of the scale of Israel's response so far, this is going to end very, very badly.

[Tom]

Ironic, four soldiers go missing therefore hundreds of innocent civilians have now gotta die. Its pathetic, i don't understand why not everyone else is getting sick of petty wars. Israel a country not recognised by most of the middle east throwing its weight around, it isn't a wise idea when its stuck in the middle on the biggest powers in that region, Iran specifically.

[MSpencer]

Iran's got a hell of a lot of Iraq and Syria between it and Israel. Nothing's going to happen beyond what's happening now.
This stuff happens like six times a year, I'm surprised all of you are just noticing it now...

[Blodo]

This one is different cause it's on a bit bigger scale, nearing the critical line. The only thing Iran has in the way to Israel is Iraq. Syria would allow their forces in without a second of doubt.

[MSpencer]

Iraq and... oh... most of the active components of the US Army and the US Marine Corps...
It's not going to happen.

And it's not really on the critical line here. They did the same thing six months ago when they bombed southern Syria. Israel isn't going to let it come to a full war, they know they can't win one.

[duke_Qa]

i can't really imagine that the US would get themselves into a situation where they defend the Israelis against the entire middle east when its mostly Israels own fault that they are being attacked.
anyway, Iran can probably get into Syria other ways than through Iraq. if the US has any sense of self-preservation,they would keep their heads low and stay out of sights as much as possible.


its been 6 years since Israel moved out of Libanon, its been 5 years since 9/11. its been 3 years since Iraq, and things are not improving over there. the people in the middle east feels cornered, and they will probably do their best to turn the tables on people and get into a more favorable position than the one they are in now. either the Israelis understands that they should start worrying less about shooting at "terrorist organizations"(which we can see these days doesnt really work anymore), and worry more about their way of life.


besides, why does it seem that anyone against the western world these days that does not have alot of guns are automatically called terrorists? is it to rouse fear in our minds and paint a clearer picture of "the enemy"? in my eyes the word terrorist has been milked too much by the governments in the western world.
There is a difference on a freedom fighter and a terrorist in my opinion. suicide bombers/others attacking civillians are terrorists. guerilla personell attacking military soldiers are not. who have killed most civillians so far? who spreads the most fear of the different parts in this situation?


we are blessed with peaceful countries and we are living in luxury. all of these situations are near impossible for us to comprehend. but bloody hell, if we just turn a blind eye to everything that doesnt affect us, what makes us any better than the people of Nazi germany which did not ask questions about the holocaust??

And it's not really on the critical line here. They did the same thing six months ago when they bombed southern Syria. Israel isn't going to let it come to a full war, they know they can't win one.

and you might have noticed that something has ticked off the entire middle east this time, which is by the looks of things going to bring alot of pain onto Israel. Unless they start being pretty fricking humble pretty soon, i don't see a very good outcome of this situation.

[Blodo]

The Soviet Union is gone, so what better an enemy than a nameless, faceless, country-less terrorist?Everything is their fault. Anyone who doesn't agree is one.

I for one think the Israelis are counting on the USA to come in at the critical moment and make war on the entire middle east. For all you know it could even be a Bush scheme (©).

BTW I have a great idea for not turning a blind eye to this. Let's give the arabs back their land, the one Israel is sitting on. There and done, most of the current problems in the middle east are over.

[Jsmooth13]

The USA should really intervene on lebannon's side. They had no right to do what they did.

[MSpencer]

And the world should be run by the people for the people... but that's never happened.
Good intentions...

There's too much baggage attached to Israel to do anything. We've got about 30 treaties with them stating "WE ISRAEL", and in more words, that we'll support any action they deem necessary to protect themselves. We also sell them billions upon billions of dollars worth the military equipment each year, Apaches, F-16s, Patriots, AMRAAMs, the works. They rely on us, and we rely on them as our only stable government we can count on in the entire Middle East. While what they've done is wrong (Well kind of, they really are trying to protect themselves from Hezbollah, they're just doing it with a lot of gusto which we're not used to), we can't exactly change the world overnight to make things right.
I'm surprised the US isn't helping Israel...

[duke_Qa]

I'm surprised the US isn't helping Israel...

the US have probably learned that it doesnt eat anything bigger than its own head, Israel seems to be run by some crazy military hawks these days, and are firing blindly into anything that are against them it seems.