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#1 Pyth

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:37 AM

OK, everyone. I've decided to clean the slate of the whole religion vs. science debate, and put al lthe creation VS. evolution stuuff in one thread. I'll tally the score in this first post, and I think I'll organize this thread with teams. This debate wil lcarry on for two RL weeks, my (Albertan) time.

THREAD RULES (THESE DO NOT OVERRIDE SITE ONES)

-Respect opinions. Do not cal lthe other side fools or stuff.

-Back up facts.

-Whenever someone wins a small argument (and has an undefeatable argument) they wil lget one point, and that argument that won wil lbe posted under the Points section for the team that dubmitted it.

-Whoever has the most points within the time limit wins.

Team EvoScience

-MSpencer

-Calamity_Jones

-Blodo

-Kayzumi

-Matias

Team ReligiousCreation

-narcismo316

-Drewry

Points

For Science and Evolution

-None yet

For Religion and Creation

-None Yet

So I think we'll start this debate once we get... oh, three members on each team. And I think this is a good final battleground.

Edited by Pyth, 08 July 2006 - 05:32 AM.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:04 AM

Put me in the science team! *cracks fingers* *realises doing so causes arthritis* *cries*
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:04 PM

I will of course be staunchly on the side of scientific truth, as opposed to decent literature.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:10 PM

Why do I get sinking sensation this is going to end badly?

Edited by Beowulf, 06 July 2006 - 03:11 PM.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:13 PM

Because as soon as i get involved i'll argue against both sides for being so god damn closeminded :p

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:16 PM

Tom you smoke bong. There, all your arguments countered.

Sign me up for Team Science.

Edited by Blodo, 06 July 2006 - 03:17 PM.

ARGUMENT FROM CREATION, a.k.a. ARGUMENT FROM PERSONAL INCREDULITY (I)
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:21 PM

Added team EvoScience Members. Hybrid, want to argue for religion?
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:24 PM

No because i believe in both religion (well the spiritual side of it) and science so i can't argue for a set team. Maybe make a neutral team :p

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:27 PM

Oh no, this won't be a one-sided, stacked 'debate' for science.
This is not going to work... at all.

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#10 Pyth

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 03:34 PM

If we absolutely CANNOT get some religion members I will:

-Get myself out of the Science team but not o nthe Religion one.

-Boot some people off of Science.

Oh, and Hybrid, you're an admin, so if one team scores, can you mark it if I'm not already doing it?
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:52 PM

Hmm. I'd sign up for a more philosophical side, or perhaps just be my old self. I'm pro-science and very nihilistic (not believing in unproven things like god & the soul).

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 09:00 PM

Removed myself.

NO EVOSCIENCE SIGN UP UNTIL TEAMS ARE EVEN.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 09:08 PM

I can take care of moderation and scoring.
Also I wouldn't restrict Science. The religious nuts will show up soon enough.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 09:15 PM

OK. MSpencer is on Scoring and Debating duty. Team lock lifted.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:07 PM

I also motion we change the name of Team Science to Dreamteam Spencer. :p
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:14 PM

I thinkl we'll vote on that. :p
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:23 PM

Put me in the science team! *cracks fingers* *realises doing so causes arthritis* *cries*


Shouldn't you be on team FSM? :p

In the meantime, I think I might sit and watch. :p
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 10:46 PM

i'm not even sure what kind of topic this is going to turn into. religion vs science is most likely a rigged race anyway. its hard to find out whats the better, philosophy(better than religion as its a bit more generic and less corrupted) or science. religion overlaps the ignorance we had back in ancient times, which now is being covered by science, but science can't cover philosophy all too much imo.

science is the physical universe, philosophy is how we use science to make the ends meet. be it through weaponry or medicine.

anyway, it still would be a strange topic. i got sympathy for science before religion, but i got sympathy of good-willed philosophy before ruthless science. social-darwinism/nazism is a good example of a society with bad philosophy but alot of knowledge about science... is that where we want to go?

some topics i would like to see in here though:


- The Great Debate: stemcell research, is it murder? is it helpful for mankind? is it going to deteriorate our moral views on humanity?
- Nazism: science gone bad? society without moral values? human emotions, a weakness or a gift?
- The Brain: just a processor? what makes humans different from the rest of the animals on this planet? what flaws does the brain have?
- Ideology: sheeps moving with the flock? ignorance is bliss? making life easier for those with enough on their minds?


if it was a more teoretic background like that, it would be a bit more even race, but still the topics are still not really connected in a way that you can claim that one is better than the other. you can't have philosophy/religion without a certain knowledge of science. and you shouldnt use science without some sort of moral philosophy that stops you from doing alot of damage to humanity...

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:13 AM

This is arguaing about creatioism and evolution, nothing else.
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:16 AM

No but those would be perfect ideas for other debates




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