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#1 MSpencer

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 06:50 PM

Since ubertech is about to start getting ridiculous, I think I'll be abstaining from CCW2 and focusing on the prequel.
Not only are we going to have mechs, which you all know my distaste for, but we're going to have two countries with a seemingly inexhaustible supply of money, neutron bombs, currently theoretical and forty year away EMP devices the size of a golf ball, and on top of that, nerve gas. We're also going to have a flying spaceship which has a huge laser, we already have two ground based uberplatforms which by description can literally "swat anything out of the sky", and we're going to have two spacebased platforms, one with a more realistic magnetically contained and difficult to aim plasma gun and another with something which hasn't been clearly defined, but I'm sure will be used to destroy entire cities at once. We've seen how WMDs have been used in this game. They haven't been used for storyline purposes as promised, they've been flung around like toys used by irresponsible children, and they've been threatened in circumstances which in the real world would result in nearly every civilized nation on the planet joining together for a joint disarmament (See: Iraq, 1991, Iraq, 1984). Now, with the sequel and more ubertech popping up literally by the day, it just feels like eventually it's going to get so ridiculous that we're all just going to sit back behind our invulnerable shields of flying mechs, supercruising laser platforms, and ABLs which can swat anything out of the sky (Which, if you'd like me to go over, is infeasible). What is happening here is something that everyone in this game is guilty of, we're ruining the game, completely. Through the conquest and annexation of countries, some of which casued people to leave the game, pointless bickering over stupid projects which in the real world would never be considered, and foundless technology based on pure theory (Like, warp drive. If I were to contemplate that, you'd all call me nuts with good reason. It looks the same way here to me). We already have huge missile sites that can fire off thousands upon thousands of ballistic missiles, flying space planes with huge lasers, a huge laser installation, a huge railgun installation with a ridiculously inaccurate range, a gigantic nuclear tank which costs millions, stealth planes which travel at or around Mach 4, and plans to produce even more outlandish and ridiculous things that will absolutely kill the RP with allegations of "Well it's faster than your missiles", or "The ABL just shoots down the AIM-9", both ridiculous statements at their very core.
And that, in short, is why I cannot in good faith go on with CCW2. Either my country will fall before then, or I'll give it away. I'll instead focus on the prequel, and I will be banning all WMDs unilaterally, and ubertech will be met with a quick removal.
Can you imagine a World War I with jet planes? A World War II with spaceships? A Vietnam with Vulcans? Yeah, same stuff here. Sure, you're all thinking advanced, but way too advanced, like not even twenty years in the future but one hundred. And economies seem to be infallible.
So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go cancel my flying nuclear reactor powered aircraft carrier/laser platform and replace it with a new tank. A cheap, feasible one.
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Posted 04 August 2006 - 07:06 PM

What is happening here is something that everyone in this game is guilty of, we're ruining the game, completely.

Don't see where I have some blame there. I do see however what your overall picture is of the RP. Too bad you won't join, but good luck and have fun with the prequel :p.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 07:23 PM

I think I may also be with you, Spence. A world of infallibility and invincibility doesn't seem too fun to me. I'd be like playing a fighting videogame where both teams have an infinite-health cheat. It's just pointless to me, where your RPG will be more of real warfare and less of "1 15 d4 Pwnz0rz"-type technology.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 07:45 PM

I'm supportive of this. The EMP is eating me up so to say before anyone has a go against me. I didn't plan to introduce 500 ton tanks or space laser platforms or anything. It appears other people might planned it though. Mechs started this just for the record.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 07:52 PM

I've said to you now we are no longer allies the Shagohod is cancelled because you were building the nuclear reactors.
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Posted 04 August 2006 - 10:23 PM

Yes, well. Sorry you feel you have to leave Spence, but there are some points I agree with.

First of all is the WMD. I originally planned for it to be a story element, and nothing more. But then Ali comes along with that fucking Targon, something which I never expected. I had no real reason to keep him from having it at the time, knowing that it was under the "no WMD" rule, since they are only to be deterrents. Then he sells it to ComFIAN, and Torn uses it in defense of his homeland. Now, originally I was supposed to get nuked by Belka, striking a near-death blow to me. So, we decided to integrate Torn's WMD assault on me into that plan. Other than that, WMDs haven't really been used much. I am pissed, however, how people appear to be ignoring that little rule I put in place which I mention sixty or seventy times. :p

The Arkbird, Stonehenge, and Divine Shield are also for story purposes. They were to be used when the inevitable invasion of the AU mainland came about. Sadly, with Ali fucking out and Torn noplace to be seen, along with you, Spence, leaving ComFIAN, that is now an impossibility. Belka's weapons; the Scinfaxis, Megalith, and SOLG; were originally intended to symbolise Belka's offensive tactics, while my superweapons were meant to show I was more of a defensive nation.

The one thing you should all stop doing is stop considering Ash and myself as players. We aren't. We're the ones who drive the story. You're not supposed to try to beat us alone or outperform us. It's like that for a reason: You are the player. We're here to serve. You're supposed to take the lead, and we lead the story part of it. So stop considering us as players and instead think of us as NPCs.
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Posted 04 August 2006 - 10:31 PM

There was never a no WMD rule, you just said only you and ash can start with it. And Torn is on holiday. I think the reason why the game was runined was because of weapons like Stonehenge, which can bring down aircraft over an entire continent which ment no one dared venture in.
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Posted 04 August 2006 - 10:31 PM

Ya I noticed in your RP that alot of people keep making ubertech like Nology making those mechs and a few other things the timeline this story sets in it doesn't seem possable for mechs to exsist yet aswell as many other things I'm sure you know of crave.

Hope people don't ubertech in CCW2 and CCW is quite an interesting story IMHO it's just the uberteching that kinda ruins it for me to enjoy reading it.

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Posted 04 August 2006 - 11:39 PM

@ Ali:
I mentioned numerous times how WMD would be for show only, and would only be used for story purposes. I can't be bothered to go back and dig for quotes, but I said it.

And like I said, don't think of me as a player. Stonehenge is more of a last resort weapon, but it is meant as a deterrent. Besides... Upon Ash's return I was going to discuss with him about a joint ComFIAN attack on it...

Too fucking bad that can't happen now. :(
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Posted 05 August 2006 - 04:37 AM

FS, would you please get out of this, it doesn't concern you. And, in defense of my mechs, those will basically be the only military growth shown during the down-time for Yuktobania, 'cept for the direly needed infantry corps. And, since I am putting these into limited use anyways, why is there still a freaking problem?!? There won't be many, and they are a hell of a lot smaller than they were originally going to be...

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 06:55 AM

It's just the fact that you need them. And now that other people want more ridiculous projects which are even more ridiculous. You have to understand that by its very nature your project is ridiculous, I just can never win arguments because people quote sci-fi articles and video games...
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Posted 05 August 2006 - 06:16 PM

This is definately what killed it for me.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 09:01 PM

Some people are 'powerhungry' sorta, I guess. I kind of dislike those projects too, as well as the fact that most war posts and project posts I cannot seem to understand and gripe fully (some exceptions there, though). So I probably don't even know fully what projects people have, or why they have it. Truth be said it is beyond me why people would want such a greatload of power over loads of other people (one of the reasons for having an ubertech kinda project) and why they want more if they have plenty. What's possibly worth for killing thousands of individuals over. But that's just me. It's like that irl too (to me), so it's me not others. Maybe I'll also join the prequel after all.

I have been liking this RP less, since a lot of posts arose that I just couldn't understand and gripe fully. On quite some occasions I asked people, but that does make you feel a bit.. hmm.. hard to describe in one word. Anyway, to me the most fun was the trading etc part, and the occasional posts about my Queen and Council.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 09:57 PM

To be honest Blaat, I never thought this was the right RPG for you because it was centred round politics and war as in the name.
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Posted 05 August 2006 - 10:09 PM

I had fun. I never said I didn't. If I didn't, why am I still here :p.

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 10:39 PM

Having fun is all that really matters in this RPG. :p
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:43 AM

Geez, I'm in Holland now, and I just came on to check what happened with CCW, and I find that it has been practically destroyed by people quitting, and now many are questioning if there is going to be a CCW2. Grrrr....I really enjoyed this RPG, and now it looks like its going to be wrecked over some petty bickering. Will you people stop fighting over the petty little details and continue this RPG!

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:52 AM

Where abouts are you?

I don't think all of us are totally quitting. Spence was just stating he'd not be part of CCW2. I may join CCW2, don't know yet.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:54 AM

Well, if it makes people happier, I'm considering suspending the Hound project anyways, so my army will still be small-ish, and easy to kick around. If that makes people happier, then fine, I'll drop the idea, and then figure out some other way to keep my country from being the laughingstock for CCW2. I just hope that maybe some other people consider lowering their ubertech expectations, so then those of us who would still have small armies, even with ubertech, still stand a chance.

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 09:15 AM

I assume you refer to me. :p Yeah, Belka will end up back practically in the stone age by the time CCW2 comes along. They'll have Megalith, and their military will become pretty stagnant. While you people are going round with M10 pulse rifles, we'll still be using the Steyr Augs.




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