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#21 N19HtmAr3

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 09:18 PM

Of course it's from scratch... :huh: Or?

#22 Dain Ironfoot

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 09:42 PM

ye gods... Cel.. we have a problem here.. Nertea's made them all weird.. :huh:

Nope, photo texture on a model.. fairly simple. Surely it's obviously a photo texture? I always use photos as much as possible for movie based stuff and hair and faces.. mas such not sure what you're on about Dain's beard... it's using real hair for a texture.

The model is 600 polies. About 550 if you get rid of the handle.

Edited by Dain Ironfoot, 20 August 2006 - 10:16 PM.

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#23 Celeglin

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 09:54 PM

Firstly, excellent work Dain. They're absolutely gorgeous.

Now on to other matters: You people need to realise that skinning from scratch isn't the be all end all. Honestly, I know two maybe three people who can really pull off skinning from scratch in this community (don't you dare try guessing who I think they are). Just because someone uses a photo for a skin, it doesn't make the end product any less than if they had drawn it. We're not professionals here, so there's no need to draw something when using a source image will suffice. I for one, never hand draw anything, and am absolutely sick of hearing "from scratch". Don't get me wrong, I respect you guys for trying: just stop parading it around like a kid with a lollipop.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:00 PM

there is nothing bad in said from scratch :wub: or doing some thing from scratch :huh: It is just harder to do stuff from scratch and people feel prouder when they have done from scratch and they want others to know it. and well i am not sayng its bad to use images(it is when you suck at it :sleep: )

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:13 PM

Hand drawn skinning is more fun then using pictures to me, that and I suck at completely suck at manipulating pictures. :huh:

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:15 PM

there is nothing bad in said from scratch :wub: or doing some thing from scratch :huh: It is just harder to do stuff from scratch and people feel prouder when they have done from scratch and they want others to know it. and well i am not sayng its bad to use images(it is when you suck at it :sleep: )


I'm sorry, but I can't understand half of what you're saying :grin: . And if it's bad to use images when you suck at it, it's just as bad (if not worse) to skin from scratch when you suck at it.

EDIT: Matias has the right of it. Skin the way you like. Just know that it doesn't make you better or worse than someone who does the opposite.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:23 PM

Exactly..

From experience I learned that for me it's easier to draw, say, armor in the right lighting and proportion then to edit, manipulate and recolour pictures. For me that's less time consuming, but I think that doing everything from scratch would be little to no gain at the cost of alot more time for Cel and Dain.

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:25 PM

like feudal_knight said, you can be proud of yourself when you make a skin from scratch, because it's harder than using photos, but that doesn't mean that using pictures is bad and/or easy and/or nothing to be proud of
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#29 Mathijs

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:28 PM

It's harder to use photos then skinning from scratch to me. I could not manipulate pictures the way Celeglin, Rhiea and Dain do it. I lack the knowledge and patience, so I skin from scratch. I've been doing that for a long time, so now it's going alot faster then when I started. Still, I sometimes mix pics and scratch up for a maximal effect. Skinning is skinning, and if the outcome is good, who cares how you reached it.

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#30 Dain Ironfoot

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 10:36 PM

I can quite happily draw from scratch when I want to... my blog probably shows that... but as I said.. I prefer photos for movie stuff.

Now cease this off topicness before I set about with my various weaponry ;)

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Posted 20 August 2006 - 11:45 PM

o_O

*back on topic*

Well everyone has been giving great applauding to the weapons and....well dain.

I have to say though. Im LOVING that Dalek. Its just, soo perfect!!!

Awesome work ;)

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 12:19 PM

hmm well I stoped using pics ages ago becouase of the lack of really good pics, either there bad quality or they just don't have the right angle, but most of that you can change through uv-unwraping.

But now I just like modelling it can be much more intresting in many respects.

I think if you had lots of pics of the front veiwes of the people or weapons or armour it would be way easyer :wub:

I think when EA did the cah, some of the textures were done that way.......Can someone enlighten me to the way they did it if I am wrong.

if anyone knows of a wealth of pictures thats unknown to me please tell me lol :p
it would really save time lol ;)

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 12:59 PM

Oh after having read again the Lauri message, I think that maybe she said that you haven't done the model, if it's the case i apologize not to have understood

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BOT, uhm, I meant the model, heh.... ;)
Awsome work though, it's just the thing if you'd handdrawn it, I would've been MORE amazed than I'm already is! And that isn't little :wub: The model itself is amazing, and you've unwraped it PERFECT!!!

OT, I prefer handrawing, since I know how now :wub: use pics here and there though :p

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:05 PM

Lauri is male. Can I have the beta now? ;)

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:09 PM

You ain't no she :wub: Though I have some sort of a BETA already though ;) :p

Oh, and the models skins in this topic is absolutely stunning :wub: Great work

EDIT: Beaten to it :wub:

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 01:12 PM

It's harder to use photos then skinning from scratch to me. I could not manipulate pictures the way Celeglin, Rhiea and Dain do it. I lack the knowledge and patience, so I skin from scratch. I've been doing that for a long time, so now it's going alot faster then when I started. Still, I sometimes mix pics and scratch up for a maximal effect. Skinning is skinning, and if the outcome is good, who cares how you reached it.


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That's actually quite true, there was a point where handdrawn stuff was like, OMFG! and everything handdrawn was almost immediately taken in for good because there was that low standard for hand drawing textures then slowly raising the bar until now O.o (the dead player I believe and his AWESOME Men of dale or Tomat if he's still here) Still at one point I did feel sort of left out like in a playground where everybody's with their little handmade action figures and i'm with my cardboard cutouts.

Anyways a question for the most powerful dwarf. You use 3D Max for these awesome weaponary?

Edited by LadyRhiea, 21 August 2006 - 01:13 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2006 - 02:31 PM

Yeah Dain uses 3dsmax7 or 8.. probably 7.

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#38 Dain Ironfoot

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 01:41 PM

Aharrr. *nothing to do with BFME*

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 02:30 PM

Oh well, thats really cool :) A mod with legos, wouldnt that be...well entertaining if nothing else :D

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 03:39 PM

Praise the Lego !




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