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[Deathblow Luc]

North Korea says a Nuclear war is inminent

North Korea reacted with wrath yesterday, and suggested that "the nuclear conflict can start in any moment", after USAs decision of deploying a carrier in the Korean coast, within the joint military excercises with South Korea

According to a communicate from the Central North Korean News Central (KCNA), received in Seul yesterday, the last steps Washington gave in military indicate that "theres a black cloud of a nuclear war coming". That way, the agency of the communist North Korean state enaced again and alerted "Theres a dangerous situation in the moves in which a nuclear conflict can start in any moment"

The communicate referred that North Korea has tried several times to sign a NAP (No Agression Pact) with USA but that the government in Washington - embarked on their cruzade to Iraq - ignored their petition, and in change, has done nothing more than showing openly their intentions to invade the country

The KCNA told that way "our population and army cant prepare for anything but war in this point". North Korea again said that military force os not an exclusive property of USA, and that they have a defense system "capable to face any enemy invasion"

The last crisis between Washington and Pyongyang happened in last October, when the North Korean government announced the continuation of the nuclear program. Then they announced their retirement from the No Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, and turned on an atomic facility. All after the interruption of american oil and food donations to the country by Bush Administration, to balance the devastated North Korean economy, known for the tragical famines its population suffers.

Yesterday, Kim Jong II also suggested to Washington not to act erroneously, and not to forget the capacity of the North Korean military forces as the unity of their population

USA and South Korea initiated the last week a joint training, and according to north-american military founts, the carrier USS Carl Vinson is on its way to the waters surrounding the Korean peninsula, since it will be part of a military maneuver from troops of both countries.

This happens while 20 bombers have been taken to Guam to reinforce USAs disuasion forces against North Korea. Meanwhile, 6 F-117A Nighthawk aircrafts abandoned their base in New Mexico, firected to South Korea, to participate of the maneuvers (which will have place from 19th to 26th March)

"This maneuvers are not related to the world happenings and are not destined to be agressive or menacing", North America said in a communicate.

Alerted by the situation, Seul asked Washington and Pyongyang to use direct negotiations as well as multilateral ways to solve the crisis around the nuclear program of the communist country. On tuesday, the chinese president, Jiang Zeming got inside the conflict asking moderation to both countries.

North Korea directly insists in speaking with Washington to solve the nuclear dispute, although Washington prefers to use multilateral pressures, by considerating the program not only menaces USAs interests but Russian, South Korean and Japanese

Source: Clarín newspaper: http://www.clarin.com

[Sydr0]

lol dumb communists

should've at least tried to trade and have better ties wit hthe West

[Tratos]

lol dumb communists

should've at least tried to trade and have better ties wit hthe West

They (Soviet Russia) did try, but the whole nature of Marxism and to a large extent communism is that they hate capitalism, and so any communist/bolshevik/marxist government seen trading with the west would have looked weak + the fact that Stalin was a megalomaniac, power hungry and paranoid.

[Deathblow Luc]

Thats actually a right-sided ideology newspaper...cant really say what happened there. Communism as economical system is good for a period, it just hasnt been implemented correctly in the world, anywhere. So i can only say that human is not ready to use it correctly, thus it shouldnt be used.

[Rygar]

I'm not sure if the world is ready for communism I would say that communism is not ready for the world because the "historical dialectic materialism" doesn't consider the human nature at all, it forgets metaphisic and tryes to explain materia using materia.... even if I admitt has some very valid points.

[Tratos]

while capitalism allows society to advance at the pace of the smartest and fastest of society.

Leaving the rest behind and widening the gap between rich and poor even furthur than it already is, and all because we dont trust communism which as Arg said is a sound economic ideology, Lenin was getting towards getting it right but then suffered multiple strokes and couldn't do much after that, if Trotsky had won the leadership battle and not Stalin things would have been a lot different.

[Deathblow Luc]

True, Tratos. Thats the problem with capitalism, diferences between poor and rich expand at nonsense rates, and the poor many times works for the rich for a misery salary. As i said sometime ago, its good if you are on top of pyramid, but not if you are in the base.

[Tratos]

But what if you are better than others?!?  What motivation do you have?!?  Communism almost creates institutions for laziness or corruption.

No one needs to work to the best of their possible abilities.  No one takes into consideration the comparative advantages of people.  It slows down all of society.  Would slow down the development of technology for sure, maybe even more than a society based on slavery!

I fail to see anything good about communism at all..

And where did you look to find this info, Communist Russia, if you have ever read anything on Marxism you'll know its not the policies its the people in charge that are to blame.

[Deathblow Luc]

And actually, Rodman, in capitalism, when one is on the bottom of the pyramid, will remain at the bottom of the pyramid till the system is not in use anymore. If you want an example, look at 3rd world.

[Rygar]

It's more obsolete than medieval system, what's more wrong, it tries to be the only system in the world. For this reasons some "obstacles" like other superpowers and EU must be eradicated.

[Ash]

Your source seems awfully Anti-American.  It almost paints the North Koreans as the good guys!  (Which is a no,no; communists = bad)

I find it amazing that our government seems to be preoccupied with Iraq, instead of the larger threat North Korea.

1) Please will someone give me a half-decent explanation as to why everyone so despises commies? I'm not saying I am one, but I would love to know why everyone sees them as such a massive threat. Speaking of which, why is NK such a large threat? They haven't done anything since the Korean War. In fact, the South Koreans have made more offensive moves by sinking NK gunboats.

[Deathblow Luc]

During the last 50 years, occident has broadcasted an evil-like and negative image of communism, and everyone believed it, as they believed that the Soviet Union and China were real Communism...

[Rygar]

This was also made to hide some (of several) flaws in capitalism. Now its like 1984 (Orwell's book), wars are necessary for their economic system, isolationism, protetionism, propaganda, lies and several other crap is required to keep active this system. Think about third world and several problems of mass production. Thnk about multicorporations's issues

[Ash]

Without the worker (proletariat) no business can be successful, though.

[Ash]

Basically, what you're saying here is:

"Fuck the proletairat and give all their jobs to robots and machines."

Where does that leave the proletariat? Jobless, with no money or anything. That's good, is it?

At least with Communism, everyone (in theory) gets a fair wage and food. That way, as is truly the case, no-one is really more important than anyone else. From a dustbin man to a doctor, everyone is as important as everyone else (even though we take the former for granted).
Without the bin man, the doctor would be swimming in shit. Prolly would be hard to do his job. Without the doctor, the bin man would get ill and wouldn't be able to work. Y'see, everyone relies on everyone else, and no-one is truly superior. This is what Commie hopes to achieve. No-one being superior.

BTW, commie doesn't encourage laziness. it GIVES you a job, like it or lump it. Prolly a crappy job you don't like, but you get a job and therefore equal share as everyone else.

[Tratos]

I've always seen communism as a system that impedes progress and is based on incorrect beliefs.  I have radically different views from most of the views of Marx and such.  First off, Marx thought the society was built off the hard work of the proletariat (sp?).  I always thought society is based off the most succesful in society.  Anyone can go and work in a factory, only a few can work their way to the top, and be succesful.

I also think the idea of people being equal as . . . crap.  Not everyone is equal, that is why some suceed and others fail.   In a communist system isn't it based off of everyone being equal.  So everyone must be lowered to a ridiculously low-level compared to their possible potential.

Not completely true, Marx did believe that the success of society rested on the shoulders of the proletariet. Bolshevism, Leninism and then Stalinism (all very different in their own right) took this to new extremes, sanctioning, exiling, and in the most extreme cases purging all those that did not fit, in the end it became a game of power and a true demonstration of Communism has never been seen.

There were points when it looked like it might be about to change, for example Lenin's NEP (New Economic Policy) was really quite an excellent piece of legislation. Also Stalin's Massivisation project's were incrediblly powerful statements of the true effectiveness of Communism, unfortunatly neither lasted long, mainly due to multiple wars (WW1, Civil War, WW2).

And finally you have to look at the speed of which the economy was growing, under the Tsars the economy was stagnating, even going backwards in comparison to Western countries, especially Britain and Germany. This was reversed under 'communism' (it wasn't true communism) to a climax at the end of WW2 where Russia became a new superpower.