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[jnengland77]

Emulation that is slow and shitty because its on linux.

Would that imply that Emulation is even slower and shittier because it's on Windows?
Emulation works great on my box, which I don't even run Windows...
Wish I had a dual core proc with VT in combination with Xen... now that's emulation at it's best.

I'm talking about this:
http://www.againsttc...at-is-tcpa.html

Yep, fuck that and DRM... Both are a pain and will restrict freedoms and what's on your computer. How about not...

Easy is one thing, being treated like an idoit by my OS, I don't think so... I will never install Vista or any variation of Windows thereafter again. Graphics-wise Berly/Berly-manager(forked from Compiz, look up either on google or ask I can dig up a video) on Linux kicks ass, way better than Areo, and Mac OS X is nice looking, too.


~jnengland77

[Mastermind]

I'm talking about this:
http://www.againsttc...at-is-tcpa.html

I'll believe it some time after I actually see it, and when they learn to actually use the English language. There's no way half of that would happen or work. It is monopolistic, and would be struck down by the courts. It's just fear-mongering

[Jeeves]

As someone who cbf buying the next generation of games, and doesn't actually care if it has a 3D verision of [alt]+[tab], is there actually any reason why someone like me should bother with Vista? Or is it just a tool to make M$ $, and allow people with high-end machines to prove they have high-end machines?

[Blodo]

It doesn't really stay with high-end machine users when M$ brand the XP as obsolete and make you buy Vista if you want to use the newest programs (and games). And with the system requirements of it - go figure.

[Ash]

Honestly, I can't see games being released Vista-only for quite some time yet. Well, except Halo-related games. Unlike Bungie, the rest of the game creators want to make a profit.

[Blodo]

Not really, but you probably will get an assdumb argument about why you need to transfer to Vista either way, probably something involving DX10 or other things.

[Ash]

And my riposte shall be an assdumb argument involving my middle finger and the words 'spin on it'.

[the50]

hey some people arnt that lucky like me i had no choice but to buy a vista I COULDNT FIND A XP ANYWERE and i dont feel like wasting money just to downgrade to xp unless there is a freee way

[Ash]

Warez...

I'm sure you can pick up a used copy of XP off amazon tho.

Next time build your PC from scratch. You can choose what goes on it.

[Blodo]

Vista been out for almost a year and it still sucks donkey ass, amirite? I'm beginning to doubt SP1 will help anything.

[Jeeves]

I actually like Vista.

The improved UI may alienate users too stuborn or stupid to cope with extra buttons, and it may have prevented most Windows users from being able to run it by demanding a better system than many might have for the sake of making it pretty, but it is more stable, fast (assuming a good system to run it on), and I find it far easier to do more quicker and easier.

I know this may all sound a bit like a M$ advert, but IMO it is a decent improvement and those who believe XP better are just stuborn anti-M$ fools and firefox fanboys.

Would I have chosen Vista had I been given the choice with my new comp? Probably. Would I have minded had it come with XP instead? Only because XP tablet sucks. If I didn't have a tablet hybrid and was given the opertunity to downgrade to XP, would I? Hell no.

Obviously, its your choise, just don't demote yourself to idiotic git, only downgrade if theres something you really cannot tolerate and can't change, not because your iPod-twirling firefox-licking villiage person friend says M$ sucks (not that they doen't, but I still prefer windows to OhShitX), because theres no reason you can't just use OSX or Linux, and Linux is legally free.

[Blodo]

But then again Jeeves you don't really play games that much, so you might not notice the more apparent problems that surfaced in that "newest generation gaming system"

And don't even get me started on Vista "premium content protection", blocking half of your computer so hollywood anti-piracy monkeys can orgasm. It's easier to get copied stuff running in that than having a legit dvd work.

[Hogo]

I have been talking about Vista today at school but I was wondering. Will vista lag me when gaming when XP doesnt? Also should I get vista? Shortly microsoft will cut off XP and not support it so I will have to go to Vista. What version should I get and Would a 2 GB ram 8800GT E6600 C2D lag still on Supcom and CNC3 with vista?
Thanks

[jnengland77]

Vista is horrible don't upgrade. DX10 really isn't worth it at this point. Plus XP soon won't be sold... I think it's supported till 2010 or 2012. SP3 is coming to XP so I wouldn't upgrade.

Personally I'm enjoying my (Arch) Linux experience. Almost on my third year of running Linux, and I rarely boot into Windows XP on my desktop and that's only for a few games that don't work in Wine.

~jnengland77

[Destroyer]

I'm not enjoying the way my graphics driver crashes every half hour while playing games. I blame Vista, with no evidence.

Also, it takes rather long for simple tasks like copy/paste to work.

[Blodo]

Vista is incredibly bloated for a system that is supposed to be a worthy ascendant to WinXP. I blame hollywood and it's lobbying for that, the amount of work MS put into that useless premium content protection shite is unbelievable. To add insult to injury, it was cracked within a matter of days by people who were pissed off with not being able to watch their legit dvds on their legit dvd drives, because somehow Vista thought the stream was insecure.

[MCV]

I think I'll throw some wood onto this fire:

Vista is a lot more stable. IE crashes once a month or less rather than four times a week, which is a large improvement (IE7 on both XP and Vista used to test)
Other programs crash less too, which is also benefical.

Copying does take extra long time, possibly because it has to load those pwetty gwaphics.

Graphis are better, I wouldn't make a choise based on that but it's a nice benefit.

Apparently it hugs your RAM, I don't really experience this myself, but the tradeoff is that everything loads faster, which is nice.

The startup procedure is annoyingly long, not "take a shower" long but rather "go check on pets" long, which is a bother, but I leavy my computer on all day so I'm not bothered.

Menues are rearranged, but half an hour of trying to implement setting you prefered on XP will teach you where most of this stuff is. However, many ney buttons are placed in odd positions such as the button to toggle what the OFF button actually does (Default is sleep WTF?) lies five-six deep and user account control can be hard to find (Then again you only need to find it once to turn it off...)

Wierd restrictions are put on the C drive, for example, copying a file to Program Files and saving it is forbidden, while copying it to desktop and dragging it into the folder allows you to save. Downloading requires an Administrator Permission, which it is impossible to obtain, so you must use a place like [Username]->Downloads to download files.

Complaints about program compability may arrise; most can be solved by setting "Run in Administrator Mode" on. This mostly replaces Compability mode, which is now used rarely, except in some cases (Curse of Monkey Island comes to mind) Those that cannot be fixed are similar problems to those that arrised when XP was introduced, so I don't understand what all the Whining is about.

While it isn't neccesary to upgrade at the moment, there are few things that keeps you down, so only those should stop you.

[Jeeves]

Admin mode is different to compatibility as compatibility is for older stuff, wheras admin mode is for stuff that makes changes on the computer. I think the only thing I need to run in admin mode is Alcohol, which gives a good example of the function, and works for me as I don't want my little sister adding random virtual drives and messing with my backups.
You can also just add restrictions to who can do what with what, which is good for stopping some users from seeing or running programs you don't want, or editing folders, etc.

[Rawlo]

I got vista ultimate,yonks ago, can't remember how much it cost me but it was an absolute steal (iirc 600 Au for vista ultimate and office 2007, might be mistaking bills there though...)

only problems I had with it (that I didn't cause myself):

I had to turn off user account control
it took fucking ages for me to get bf2142 working on it and it never really worked to my satisfaction
and games run about 5% slower then they do on XP which hasn't really made much (if any) impact on my gaming

thats it.

I've never had any program exept msn or IE7 crash on it
it never freezes
DVDs work properly all the time, better then they do on my DVD player or xbox360
it's faster and more pleasent to use then XP was
the ultimate extras run smooth as silk even if the flashier ones are real resource pigs

I bought it intending simply to fiddle with it until I actually needed it, but I used it once and never went back (I have it dual booted with XP)

[pipinowns]

Crysis runs better on Vista.

XP > Vista

Everything else runs better on XP.