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#41 MSpencer

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 01:58 AM

There you go. That's what CNC does to someone's mind. Someone get him a neural exam, I believe he must have massive hemmorhaging and perhaps a tumor pressing on his left hemisphere.
Yes, because we all know that overglorified jeeps, a few aircraft, and ten tanks, y'know, the only things we have in Europe right now, will make a world of difference against... say... thirty Motor Rifle divisions.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 02:06 AM

It stands to reason that unless someone has significant experience in the field of international relations, they cannot definitely say that something will happen. I can state with some certainty that the United States does not have the resources to fight a war in Europe, but we might anyway. I can't stand seeing posts by someone ignorant of the facts who thinks, literally, that the United States can beat Russia in the morning and have the soldiers home in time for tea.


Hey man, I may not have a PHD in anything, but I sure as hell can type up what I think is right. Also, you calling me 'ignorant' is starting to show me that that's all you can say, and you need to stop woth those insults. Did I ever say they would be back later in the day? No. So don't twist what I say.

Anyways, We can kick the Russiann's behinds if they try to invade us or our allies. Rgose A10s can mow down tanks, raptors for aircraft, abrams for tanks, humvees for running over infantry, and marines to make sure the job is done.And that's not all, folks.

It's not really an insult when it is a fact.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 05:56 AM

I'm still lost on how Russia will roll over Europe with little to no effort. Europe's air force is vastly superior to Russia's. Europe's ground forces can stand toe to toe with the Russian's and their Navy is pretty kick ass as well. I'd also think if Russia started a massive military mobilization the US would divert the majority of their resources to Europe.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 10:02 AM

I think the UK is reducing its armour to like about 300 tanks in total for the whole of Germany now, the rest are going to be either back in the UK at Aldershot or on active deployment. There are less than 50,000 troops in Germany now, thats only the 1st Armoured Division left.

Basically, mainland Europe would be doomed if there was an invasion, they would head straight through Germany, with NATO forces devestated after loosing divisions in West Germany the Russians would march through the low countrys into France before proberly begining to bomb the UK with long range bombers.

At the same time, Russian forces would invade the US via Alaska or Canada. Any event would cause a nuclear exchange.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 11:25 AM

If Russia touched the US directly, it would be the end of the entire country.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 01:09 PM

trust me, by the time the russians have kicked ten types of ass on the US forces there would not be alot of 'hoha' mentality left in alot of people. if theres one thing russians do its ruthlessness, and even if you think americans are ruthless, they are not halfway as ruthless as Russians can be if they get ticked off.

its not about technology all the time, its about manpower and willpower.

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 01:28 PM

Its quite interesting how MSpencers stance on global conventional war and USA not winning, I remember him ages ago saying it would be like a duck shooting gallery well at least against chinese forces yet now he admits that in terms of manpower and resources East would beat West?

Also even in a MAD situation no one would win cos the USA may obliterate the military capabilities of russia but they would have obliterated most if not all of the usa cities with there giant nukes.

Sounds like history repeating itself but instead of communism its terrorism.

Russia simply has the numbers and sheer numbers of allies against "imperialism"

If the OPEC nations also sided with the Russians then economy is ruined for the US.

Today we are increasingly dependent on a few lines of oil.

Also I thought Russia has a operational ABM system?

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 06:16 PM

An ABM system won't help in an all out nuclear war. You can stop a few warheads but it's impossible to get anywhere near all of them. The US ABM system is only really intended for if someone like NK lofts a nuke at us, we can shoot it down, or if we go after China's nukes and miss a couple when they launch at us we can take it down. Neither ours nor the Russian system would stand a chance against an all out nuclear exchange.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:37 PM

We have enough Aegis systems deployed in the Pacific and Atlantic theaters that in the event of full out nuclear war with a small belligerent such as North Korea, we would probably be able to stop every missile fired likely very close to the target area, given advance notice. When dealing with over fifteen, we might be able to shoot down a small percentage, but it would be a matter of saving hundreds of thousands of lives when the devastation would be measured in hundreds of millions of deaths. The United States is not prepared for nuclear war on any scale, but on smaller scales we stand a decent chance of intercepting most missiles before they hit their intended target, and the reason for that is mostly because fleet defense systems have been continually updated and THAAD research has not slacked since the end of the Cold War.

Its quite interesting how MSpencers stance on global conventional war and USA not winning, I remember him ages ago saying it would be like a duck shooting gallery well at least against chinese forces yet now he admits that in terms of manpower and resources East would beat West?

You should probably note that that was well before Rumsfeld decreased US troop deployment in Germany significantly. Similarly, the enlistment rate has dropped significantly, and the troops in Afghanistan are almost now wholly reservists who should be close to retirement and pension age. Additionally, tensions between former USSR members and Russia have decreased, and the RF seems to be increasingly opposed to Western Europe in its increasingly fascist policies.
Although I do maintain that if the United States were ever involved in a mainly continental or island war with China, it would really be no contest. The United States has the naval assets to effectively destroy the Chinese Navy, and the allies and support to hold the Pacific resource areas indefinitely. China would be trapped in its own territory with no means of force projection, and an invasion would not even be required. Devastation would come on the scale of Japan in 1945, that is pretty much the only way the United States can fight Pacific wars, just like land offensives are the only option in Europe.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:46 PM

Just awhile ago you said "Russia would crush us."

Anyways, I believe MSpencer has played TOO much RA2 and it's starting to get to him...

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:51 PM

Oh yes, because we all know that the United States could beat everyone except the Klingons.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:54 PM

if they felt like it they would probably drop a nuke on you just to mess with texas. Russia would most likely have the possibility to invade Europe, but i don't see any reasons for taking mainland Europe. theres not really anything of importance there. northern europe and specifically Norway with our oil-reserves on the other hand...

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:58 PM

if they felt like it they would probably drop a nuke on you just to mess with texas. Russia would most likely have the possibility to invade Europe, but i don't see any reasons for taking mainland Europe. theres not really anything of importance there. northern europe and specifically Norway with our oil-reserves on the other hand...


Russia have their own all, its the British you want to look out for! :p

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 10:12 PM

However there's always room for more. Remember, Iraq invaded Kuwait for oil to prosecute their war more fully in the future against Iran. They already had plenty of oil at the time. Greed is a decisive force in modern politics, especially with pseudo-dictatorships.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 11:36 PM

indeed. i've considered a theme for a game for a while, where both western and eastern forces are at war in Norway, and you are some sort of insurgent trying to mess things up as much as possible for both sides. would be a sort of political dystopian rpg-shooter with oblivion-esque terrain systems.

England wouldnt even need to invade, they get most of the gas these days anyway. if anything they would probably be invited over to defend the northern borders if Russia started getting troublesome. how is the Russian Navy doing these days anyway?

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 02:20 AM

You all seem to be leaving out the logistics of this. Russia would have to move across Europe, from Belarus to Portugal. After which they would have to occupy these countries. Now, as Russia is moving across the former Eastern Bloc all those tanks would be cannon fodder to British, German, and French aircraft. Then as I said before, the European is hardly incompetant, and if you take into account all of Europe and not just the big three there, you've got a formidable force. Not only that but they then have to occupy the country and deal with the inevitable strike from the US.

Also, when you really look at things, the US has a great deal more military manpower fit for service in comparison to Russia (about 55,000,000 to 21,000,000). Now, if Russia declared war on the world tomorrow, I'd at least assume there would be a draft. Along with the fact that the government would most likely take over most of the US industry and convert them into arms factories as in WW II.
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Posted 17 October 2006 - 02:53 AM

You don't really leave room for any sort of diplomatic maneuvering, and the entire synopsis of such leaves room for about as much change as the Schlieffen Plan.
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Posted 17 October 2006 - 03:43 AM

What we have to do to counter the commies:

1. Blow thier asses to peices with our superior troops, armor, and aircraft. Yes, we would suffer heavy losses, but we have been up against the odds before. We can conquer them.

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 04:34 AM

And, yet, I thought the Cold War has been over all this time... Well actually, in such a hypothetical situation as this, not even our overwhelming technology could beat the masses that could turn on us at the drop of a hat. USA vs. The World doesn't always play out too well, even in hypothetical situations.

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 04:45 AM

What we have to do to counter the commies:

1. Blow thier asses to peices with our superior troops, armor, and aircraft. Yes, we would suffer heavy losses, but we have been up against the odds before. We can conquer them.

But what if the point? To kick peoples asses, that's the kinds mentality of a little school kid in the schoolyard.




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