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[Airman]

Let's say your country is having a draft. You have three options. Which do you choose?

1. Join

2. Dodge and go to another country

3. Commit suicide

[Cossack]

It would depend on who I were fighting, but I would most likely choose option 2.

P.S. This should be moved to house of parliament.

[MSpencer]

Escape. Specifically to Canada. Already doing that pre-emptively anyways.

[Cossack]

For me, it would prove to be a problem because if Canada were to do a draft, it would surely because the Americans were also doing a draft, and I'd really have no other country to go to short of crossing through USA into Mexico, or crossing the ocean.

I'd most likely buy a survival kit and a portable radio, and go live up in the northern Ontario wilderness for a couple of years. I suppose there woul'd be a good chance that I'd die, but if I were drafted I'd probably be killed anyways.

[Pyth]

Depends.

Most liekly Option 2; I could cross through Russia and maybe to Mongolia or soemthing.

[Airman]

I choose option 1....patriotic.

[MSpencer]

Patriotism -> Nationalism -> Racism -> Fascism -> Genocide -> Fenocide

[Airman]

They are connected?

This topic is going to get fun...

[MSpencer]

I suggest you go learn the definitions of all the words first. Then the relations between them are fairly obvious and straightforward.

[Airman]

The word 'Patriot' goes back to the Revolutionary War, where there were Loyalists and Patriots. Patriots wanted to break away from England and fight for right laws. "No taxation without representation." This term ment that the colonists hated the fact that England made them pay for the French and Indian war.

The word Patriot, defined by me, is an indivisual devoted to serving for the right thier country.

Edit: I'm about to open up a can of history whopp-ass....

Edited by Demon of Razgriz, 17 October 2006 - 02:26 AM.

[MSpencer]

Actually, patriotism comes from the Latin word "patria". And any true patriots would be rather similar to the Tories which would be rather similar to the Loyalists. The word you're looking for is revolutionary. And the revolutionaries really didn't care about taxes. The Seven Years War, as the French and Indian War is known as everywhere else in the world, was really not all that much of a financial burden on the French and English as you would think. Taxation with representation was really a front, the colonies had demanded economic autonomy a long time before and increasing cultural differences between England and America were accumulating rapidly, thus causing a strong resentment on the part of the American colonists for British home rule and brutal colonial repression. Eventually, they had enough, and decided to have it out with the most powerful country in the world. Unfortunately, they won, and it has been widely regarded as extremely poor judgement on the part of the British to allow them to do so. Unfortunately, in 1814, they missed another chance to own the United States again.
The word patriot has been used essentially since Roman times. It is even believed by evolutionary biologists that patriotism is a form of ethological behavior called kin selection, by which organisms are more likely to support genetically or socially related organisms over other members of their own species or another species. Unfortunately, this will be totally ignored when you draft your forty second reply which ignores everything except, or maybe in some rare cases including, gravity.

[Airman]

I used the taxes as a support for my argument, because that's what caused them to question Britain's rule over them. And, Patriots hated Loyalists, and vice versa. You see, Patriot was becoming a widely used word at the time, so it ment 'Revolutionist', or a freedom fighter. Freedom from unfair laws, freedom from the king. So, they gave the young Thomas Jefferson the job of writing the Declaration of Independance, which when it was created, made America it's own country.

[MSpencer]

That has nothing to do with the fact that patriotism naturally gives rise to nationalism. And I think as a result you need to relearn history, to learn that patriotism has nothing to do with America and was not invented by America.

[Airman]

I never said it was made by America.

Anyways, I'd rather die knowing that I have tried/have contributed to the safety of our country. If you dodge a draft, it's my and many other people's opinions that you are not patriotic. No personal offence, but that's what it appears as.

[Jeeves]

patriotism has nothing to do with America and was not invented by America

Yes, but we all know America does everything better, so we can disregard anywhere else on the US-of-eArth.
Australia couldn't pull off a draft before, they couldn't do it now, and they probably couldn't do it anytime soon.
I'd rather serve a country by upholding and demonstating the fact that war does not prove who's right, just who's left.
Besides war is either an act of desperation of bastardry, if your country ends up starting a war or enforcing one so long as to require conscription, its a pretty lousy country and not worth my support.

[Drewry]

I do not know you Demon of Razgriz, however I can say that you need to relearn history. Drop everything you know, and re-learn it. Re-discover the world for yourself, un-biased by the propaganda that circulates around us. I am not saying that your thoughts are wrong, however they are clearly the unthoughtful (using its original meaning) answers. Meaning zero thought has gone into them, just regurgitating what you have been taught in schools.

Unfortunately, you are in a difficult position. You have a whole host of individuals telling you what to do. Your whole life. Do not deny it, it is fact. Schools are the largest brainwashing facility in all of America. They force students to spend hours copying information, and memorizing it. In the process, no real valuable information is learned, except for Primary Education.

Primary Education is the easiest form of Education to teach. All you do is sit a bunch of kids in front of information and fill in variables. Giving value to words, numbers etc. Primary education is what you base secondary education off of. And at the time you learn it, your mind is meant to learn primary education.

However, Secondary Education is a bit more difficult. It is teaching someone to apply the knowlege they have learned through primary education. Application of knowlege is called Intelligence. Unfortunately, most schools these days do not want to spend time doing that. So they simply force the students to memorize pre-approved curriculums (by our wonderful government) in the hopes that they will merely catagorize the information as primary and not secondary as it should be.

Edited by Drewry, 17 October 2006 - 05:26 AM.

[Jeeves]

Correct education is impossible under the burden of mainstream education, the logistics of delivering persons cabable of teaching a country are insane, let alone delving further into ensuring that people actually understand the concepts rather than just memorising them.
However "Mainstream" education is called that for a reason, the "mainstream" part is a variable, you can still have education without it, and commonly superior understanding. Drewry is entirely correct, look outside the box. If I told you that 1+1=11 would you be able to see the logic behind my answer? And could you similarly apply reasoning to other factors? Something could be so, dispite someone having told you otherwise first. I'm not saying 1+1=11 btw, just that life is full of conflicts, and a closed mind cannot resolve, merely state. An echo of an opinion that the ghost of a person is incapable of possessing.

[Hostile]

Patriotism -> Nationalism -> Racism -> Fascism -> Genocide -> Fenocide

Peasantry <- Communism <- Socialism <- Communalism <- Patriotism

You forgot to complete the picture in the other direction. Also Fenocide cannot be found in Dictionary.com or Google.com

Please define what this word means... Also see the links included for accurate descriptions.

[Silent_Killa]

Feno means full, so my guess is killing everything.

[MSpencer]

Actually it was a word I used in the Spam Factory once, meaning the mass slaughter of Fenrings.