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[Kyrivian]

Well, we wouldn't need to go to that extent, although something between Boromir and Faramir would be useful...and maybe Legolas and Gimli could get a bonus when near each other. Anyway, I'm talking about implementing it into the new emotion system, making it so all the couples in the game (i.e. Arwen and Aragorn, Eowyn and Faramir) would have a bonus when fighting alongside another. But seeing as they're all from different factions, it could be a possibility for the campaign; that's the only time they're together, in theory

Really though, it would ecourage teamwork to an extent. But, instead of giving it to only Legolas and Gimli, give it to Aragorn as well. 3 Hunters, right?

and something like the Hobbits and gandalf?

Yuppers.

[Taralom]

don't you think Cel has a social life??
i would think adding al of this would become very, very though

and you would also have to consider witchking + nazgul and Saruman + Lurtz.
it would take loads of time, i think

[Lauri]

uhm, not aslong as you think...
but still, I like it the way it is now.... Why would you have Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas with bonuses? Arent' Legolas on Rhovanion, and Aragorn on Gondor, and Gimli on Rohan (Gimli's gonna stay, aye?)
Anyways, I'd prefer it to stay as-is...

[Kyrivian]

Despite them being on different factions... who knows. Might add a little more teamwork to the game in huge multi matches

[adummy]

it wont happen. it will overpower heroes. Arwen is not that powerful of a hero and thats why she has it. You are saying to me you want Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli to be MORE powerful?

[Kyrivian]

As a whole, no. I was just making a point about irrationale.

[Olorin]

Most of this would be used in the campaign (were it too happen), because the only likely place that you would find Aragorn and Arwen and all those pairs together would be in the campaign. As Kyrivian said: it will implement a little teamwork in multiplayer matches. TLT is still a draft, as far as we know (apart from those renders that Celelgin showed us), so we still open to suggestions that are within reason.

[Mathijs]

it wont happen. it will overpower heroes. Arwen is not that powerful of a hero and thats why she has it. You are saying to me you want Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli to be MORE powerful?

Don't be definite on things you cant possibly be definite about. Comments like these end discussions, which would be fine if they came from Celeglin himself. But they don't.

[Elvenlord]

shhhhhh matias, he's having fun

Like Olorin said, maybe it be in the campaign only, since most of those hero's wouldn't see each other otherwise.
I would go for Boromir and Faramir having one in skirmish, however. And Denethor if Cel adds him.

[Kyrivian]

That would make sense.
Boromir and Faramir- Combat bonus to both
Boromir and Denethor- Defense bonus to Denethor, Boromoir gets nothing
Denethor and Faramir- Denethor gets small defense bonus, Faramir gets large attack detriment.

Just my 2 cents.

[Elvenlord]

Hmmm..... maybe add a defense bonus for Faramir for him/Denethor, so having those two together wouldn't be.... I don't know how to explain it, but it shouldn't make you not want them to be together, you know?

[Olorin]

Well think about it: Denethor just about hates Faramir and loves Boromir just as much. It would make sense not to pair up Faramir with his old man...and it would add a bit more depth and strategy to the game. I agree with Kyrivian on his '2 cents'.

[adummy]

personally, i wouldn't buy Denethor then.

[Olorin]

Why not? You can still use him as a support hero (which I think Cel is steering towards), you just wouldn't pair him up with Faramir. I usually have Faramir ambushing with his Rangers on paths frequently travelled by the enemy anyway.

[adummy]

even as a support hero, i likely wouldnt use him once i got Faramir. Gondor has plenty of leadership that can go around without the need of Denethor screwing up Faramir.

@Matias. i worded that bad. i should have said that I don't support it for every hero. It will overpower some like Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas

[Taralom]

Denethor must be kept away from Faramir in that case.
when you send Faramir away with Knights or Rangers. Denethor can be fighting with the main Force of the player.

no need to not buy Denethor when someone already got Faramir. and i'm certain that Denethor will have some strength.

[mike_]

i'm certain that Denethor will have some strength

Yeah, according to Weapons and Warfare, Denethor was quite the soldier back in the day.
Cheers,
-mike

[Storm]

I don't know if anyone has asked yet, because I can't be bothered reading through 49 pages, but will Haldir be changed at all? Some of the things I noticed in TEA 1 was that in campaign mode, Haldir couldn't one hit orcs until level 10, and at level 10 he still couldn't one hit orcs with bow, while much weaker heroes like hobbits could do it at around lvl 4, and Faramir could do at lvl 3 with bow. Also, he moves somewhat slower than Galadhrim. I found him to be one of elves' most useful heroes because of bow/sword, but he costs less than Arwen, who is one of the weaker heros. In addition, he does pretty much the same as Faramir, so I was wondering if you would increase his bow and sword strength (especially because elves are supposed to be stronger then men, right?) Finally, I think his powers should be updated a little, maybe increase to leadership, summon of marchwardens, or possibly something to do with when he dies? In movie (though in book he wasn't at Helm's Deep) when uruk kills him, Aragorn pretty much goes berserk (similar to the suggestion about Elrohir and Elladan). Yes, I know, this was completely off topic. But about Denethor hating Faramir, remember that when Faramir "died" Denethor went even more insane-not sure if it was him thinking both of his sons were dead, or love-though Gandalf said that Denethor loved Faramir, and would remember it soon. When was the last time Celeglin posted? Haven't seen a post by him for a while.

Edited by Storm, 06 July 2007 - 07:23 AM.

[Taralom]

that was a bug.

and it was right in the campaign or right in Skirmish

and he hasn't been around for several months now i believe

Edited by Taralom, 06 July 2007 - 10:32 AM.