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#21 Silent_Killa

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 02:41 AM

Present tense, mate. It still inspires.

You have to understand that what attracts so many civilians to become terrorists is that their cause is usually to remove the foreign presence, the so called infidels, from their country.

Iraq has a problem and it's their responsability to solve it. If US troops leave or not the country... doesn't matter... the civil war is already happening, truth to be said. But if the troops leave, half of the idiots who die for their cause will stop, and it will be harder for terrorists to recruit people for their cause.

You fail to realize that they're primarily killing each other now. Also, I covered all this in my previous statement, although with fewer words. The Iraqi Army just isn't strong enough to deal with a large scale insurgency, and as Hostile mentioned, tend to turn a blind eye when somebody from their group is killing someone from another group.

I must agree with you here. Except that the democrats didn't corrupt the war in the way republicans did, but puting their friends to make business and giving them the oil in Iraq...

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 02:47 AM

Reinstate Saddam. It was peaceful before you invaded.

You're not serious are you? Reinstate Saddam? Peaceful? Shall I produce a number of links to show you how peaceful this person was.

You actually stated Saddam should be reinstated. :(

Did you state this as a joke, sarcasm maybe? CodeCat thinks Saddam should be reinstated? :(\

That doesn't even make any sense...

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 04:55 AM

Saddam was in fact the unifying force of Iraq…the political and national adhesive in combining both Sunni, Shi’ite and Kurdish into one Iraqi nationality. Of course Saddam used violence and intimidation to keep his people in check and any time when one of them got out of line he made an example of them. This technique has been used previous Iraqi regimes since the creation of the country Iraq.
Iraq, the country, is a failed British concept. In order to defuse these ethnic/religious battles the country needs to be Balkanized; dividing the country into separate Sunni, Shi’ite and Kurdish zones. Even this solution wouldn’t necessarily promise absolute peace but it would allow all three Iraqi identities to seek their own destiny and self-administration as they see fit instead of just one faction competing for control.
However the Bush administration has already dismissed segregation.
America’s go at it alone strategy won’t work in Iraq because the Iraqis do not see them as liberators. America really needs to hand over the occupation of Iraq to the international community and more importantly to Arab and other Islamic nations. While such a strategy might not be in the best of interest with America but I believe it will certainly be in the best interests of the Middle East.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 02:49 AM

You fail to realize that they're primarily killing each other now. Also, I covered all this in my previous statement, although with fewer words. The Iraqi Army just isn't strong enough to deal with a large scale insurgency, and as Hostile mentioned, tend to turn a blind eye when somebody from their group is killing someone from another group.


I almost forgot this topic :p

You give fuel to the enemy, the enemy grows. There are people who thinks that Iraq police is allied/manipulated/used by the infidels (translating: USA and western countries) to corrupt their country. So, I reiterate that removing the US troops and foreign troops will help, but not solve. On both cases, the problem won't be solved. If foreign armies leave Iraq, they'll have a civil war for years... like many african countries nowadays.

So, what a good strategist would do? Stop their growth... leave Iraq. Cut their reasons to fight against their so called infidels. Let them kill each other.... and then... people will start to value the word 'peace' and the word 'order'... then, once they are weaker and they pray for an external help, finish with these terrorists with a UN legitimate army.

Unfortunatelly, their culture is a way more violent than ours. They doesn't seem to value life... they celebrate the death penalty to Saddam like a first place in the world cup. Even if Saddam was a big bastard, I don't celebrate anyone's death. So, they need to change culturally and the change must come from them. It may sound absurd, shicking, painfull... but it's a solution. We can't do 'favours' for others if they don't want it done. That's the lesson.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 07:40 AM

Let them kill each other for peace... right. What you're talking about is a race war followed by genocide.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 12:08 PM

Race war? Are you sick? This is an ideological war... because the religion is the same.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 12:14 PM

They're two deep divisions in the general belief system and interpretation of the Koran. They're more different than Protestants and Catholics, and they're certainly not the same group of people.
To say that, because they like the death penalty, we should just sit back while they reduce their own population and then go in and root out "terrorists" is like justifying the holocaust: it's murder on a terrible scale.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 10:28 PM

a murder which we the western world with the US in lead caused to speed up. i would say it would be very regrettable if one left the mess behind and let them live with our consequenses.

naturally we will never see a flawless victory down there. but at least we can hope for something less than a total defeat.

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:37 PM

I'm not simply saying that because they like death penalty, but the fact of foreigners being 'controlling' their country, according to many of them, would make many of them joining terrorist activities to kick them out.

So, cut the reason of normal population to become terrorists before really solving the problem.

Terrorists must be regarded as terrorists by their own population, instead of heroes and martirs that are fighting the western infidels...
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Posted 19 November 2006 - 06:39 PM

These aren't all "death to America" terrorists. They're "death to Sunni" terrorists, and "death to Shiite" terrorists. I also doubt the general populance sees them as heroes and martyrs when they blow themselves up in a crowd of schoolchildren.

While supporting one group may increase anomosity towards the US, it really doesn't do anything to increase sectarian violence, and that is the problem which will tear Iraq apart. Not to mention when the US leaves, all the "death to America" terrorists will most likely join the "death to Sunni" or "death to Shiite" terrorists.
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Posted 08 March 2007 - 02:56 PM

[font=Garamond]Hello. I'm portuguese and I am going to tell you what's the general european vision of the situation. The election for Democrats in both houses and a possible election for the White House will not solve the problem. It won't be easy for a republican or democrat America to leave Iraq. And let's be honest. No one in europe likes the way Bush is leading America. It's dangerous for the entire world. The reasons for the invasion were "false". The only solution to this major problem is to rewind time. However, if America continues to insist in war, it will lose many allies and finnaly, it stays alone in the world.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 04:12 PM

One question. How can you reinstate a guy who's already dead? Or is he not dead again now?


If they pull the troops, they probably won't do it any time soon, especially not while Bush is still President. Stay or go, Iraq will be in a state of veritable civil war for a long, long while. There's supposedly some sort of US puppet government that has been 'elected' in there anyway and the US have been training their military since the conquest. There's no way the US will just up and leave without ensuring its new assets are at least reasonably secure. Bush is business-minded enough (and therefore by proxy military-minded enough) to make well sure of that.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 06:00 PM

I find myself in total agreement with Paradox, but that is not really why I am posting.

I am going to tell you what's the general european vision of the situation

A dangerous statement. I'm from Europe too, but wouldn't have drawn the same picture, even tho there would indeed be resemblances.

I have learned that it's better to only speak for one alone, instead of trying to represent a group you are a part of, but from which you don't know each (or at least most) member(s) personally.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 09:02 PM

[quote name='Solinx' date='Mar 9 2007, 06:00 PM' post='428483']
[quote]I am going to tell you what's the general european vision of the situation[/quote]A dangerous statement. I'm from Europe too, but wouldn't have drawn the same picture, even tho there would indeed be resemblances.
Sorry about that....I was just saying that because that's what the polls of EU says...But I'm sorry

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 11:19 PM

who saw the same intelligence reports the republicans saw


Hostile, did you miss the part where much of the reports were lies? The Bush Regime knew damn well there were no WMD's. They lied because they're warmongerers.

I fully agree with the general attitude of despair towards the war. The US dug itself into a pretty deep whole, and now, to put it simply, we're fucked. If we don't leave, US soldiers will die. Iraqi civilians will die. Iraq will turn into a maelstorm of terrorism, corruption, war, collateral damage and destruction. If we do leave: The same thing only worse, minus the death of US soldiers.

The democrats have no plan for getting out, true. This is probably because that's not possible. The Bush Regime went in without a plan in the first place and without an idea about hte country we were invading. The US has done almost everything wrong relating to this goddamn war.

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 06:31 PM

Except from a long-term economic point of view.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 02:16 AM

I find it interesting how the american government is such a puppet orginization to big business that they are willing to put their governement into trillions of dollars in debt just to satisfy the economic explansion of large corperations.

Thats America for ya....capitalism so hyped up on crack it bursts out of it's confinement and spreads it's contaminating filth across the globe.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 02:44 AM

Which American corporations decided that the US needed to invade Iraq and forced the government to go to war?
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:09 AM

I dont know. Probably arms companies or oil companies...
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Posted 25 March 2007 - 11:37 AM

I do not know which companies, but you can be sure that there have been companies lobbying both in favor of and against going to war. This is not something unique to America, and certainly not unique to war either.

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