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#1 Hostile

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 07:13 AM

http://edition.cnn.c...reut/index.html
The Pope prayed like a good muslim today. Let us all be proud, it should help heal the wounds betwen the chrsitians and muslims.

As long as he bows to them and prays and not them bowing to catholics. :thumbsupsmiley:

So the deal is done, atonement once again. The muslims demand and another leader catered. But when do we get to the place where the respect is mutual?

Like when muslims beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan. No Jews marched, they knew better. The world doesn't care. But he was also an American, means little.

But when the italian muslim was scooped up by CIA, in mistake, OMG a world apology was in order.

Let us see a bully for what a bully is. A bully is nondescriminent, they bully everyone. They bully thier own people, they bully other world religious leaders, they bully the populations of western nations through terrorism.

They aim to kill all those who oppose thier ideology. While we argue ethics, they move forward and blame everyone else.

Tell me once again why and how muslims trained the rest of the world to tolerate shit we won't tolerate from our own people?

And most entertaining is the left winged socialist people who choose to attack the messenger rather than addressing the message.

Respondants please respond to the thoughts I posted, not remarks aimed at the poster's intentions.

I find I ask simple questions, that no one answers, instead they choose to diagram the poster and ignore the posted question. :p

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 03:06 PM

Because the messengers opinion is sometimes ridiculous. (Sorry Hostile)

For example:

They aim to kill all those who oppose thier ideology. While we argue ethics, they move forward and blame everyone else.

Its the closeminded view that all muslims or the islamic faith as a whole has this aim. This is a lie. This is why the messenger gets shot.

Radical Islam is merely a minority and should not be overseen as the entire Islamic religion. Its like me taking radical christians who stand outside soldiers funerals and "protest" that they deserved to die whilst their families are trying to mourn. Technically if thats the case then we need to be trying to take our christians as well, do we not?

Why should the pope bow to Muslims? Hes merely only try to sholw respect for the religion, nothing more. I show respect to every religion regardless on my own views on them. Is that so wrong?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:19 AM

http://apostatesofislam.com/
In my random travels I found sources here that appear to be from ex muslims who saw the light on what radical islam really is about. Same thing i've been telling on these forums for ages. Silly stuff like an actual video of stoning people. They tie your hands, wrap you in white sheets, and proceed to throw large stones at your most vital parts, until your're dead. I failed to mention this is done while buried up to the waist, shooulders, neck, depending how kind the stoners are.

If you are able to climb out and exit the circle of the stoning, you get to live. Well it would be a miracle if you did. Climb from a hole, hands tied behind your back, while wrapped in a sheet, while people are throwing large rocks at your head.

How can people behave like this as the way christians did 500 years ago like the spanish inquisition?
http://www.apostates...dia/stoning.htm
Now don't view this video if you are under 18 or weak stomached. But people have to know this is the "standard" for how stoning should occur. I find this inhuman to do to another person. How can someone throw mutiple stones at peoples head in the order to kill them. And when they run out of stones, they stop it to retrieve more stones.

:( And yet they all chant "Allah is Great" while stoning the victims. So when some people pray out load and says "Allah is Great", before boarding a plane, you better look around. Because somethings happening.

http://www.amitiesqu...xts/stoning.htm
This is happening in our modern day, this isn't some isolated clip from the past. This is an ongoing and happening event.

http://www.iran-e-az...ning/video.html
http://www.americand...601stoning.html

When are people gonna realise, that those Islamic facsists are not muslim, not holy, not godly. They simply are murders, and you, the people, are on that list?!?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:22 AM

probably about the same time idiots like you realise they're in the vast minority.
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:45 AM

Let's assume I'm an idiot. Beyond that, does the fact of stoning someone not make a giant red flag on normal people who are concerned with these issues.

Isn't there a moment of clarience of something inside yourself, that rebukes stoning people as a way of justice? I think that stoning someone is wrong. I'd assume rationally you'd agree?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 03:29 AM

This is barbaric, sick, and should be stopped.

Im not one to take sides when it comes to religion (normally I hate them all equally), but ill say that there is a far larger number of radical muslims than there are radical hindus or radical christians for instance.

Treating someone this way in the name of religion is cruel and unthinkable and should be removed from this world by whatever means necessary.

Unfortunately, I dont know how this could be done seeing how terribly the war in Iraq went, but it is my complete hatred of human right's violations (especially when caused by something so stupid as organised religion) , and my approval of military force to enforce the charter of rights, that I do somewhat support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I approve these wars in principle, but I dont approve the motives behind them and the ways they were fought.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:06 PM

personally i believe that the reason we got so many radical muslims is because we've pushed them to it. religion is something that matters for people who see alot of cruelty and unfairness. the more blood spilt the more anger, and what better way to make that anger righteous than through religion?
i hope people see the reason that there might be more radical muslims than radical hindus and christians? india got its freedom from britain in 1947, and havent really been bossed around by them since then. christians are generally not unfriendly to the western world, so you rarely have to do stuff to get them to follow you.



i'm not saying that we wouldnt have the same problem if we havent been "interventive" in the middle east, but i'm saying that we can blame ourselves for how things are. probably a lesser evil too in the eyes of our leaders. imagine the world if we didnt have alot of influence over the oil in the middle east. the western world wouldnt be the big cheese today or in the near future if that was the case.
So what i'm saying is that i don't believe that we can put the blame on muslims alone. sure they have some old-fashioned rules endorsed by their leaders, but we can't expect the entire world to be modern in five minutes after ourselves. if anything these old rules are a counter to our meddling within their cultures. if Iran hadnt had their revolution, the middle east would have been alot more moderate and probably more open to updating their rights to more modern standards.




But then we're back to the scenario where we wouldnt have any control down there, and where we might have lost alot of power. so, do we prefer to have power, even though it will hamper progress for certain people, or do we sacrifice power to let them evolve as we have done? naturally this is a choice made a long time ago, when wars were cold and there were other enemies more dangerous.

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:27 PM

And what should we do about it? I guess we could kill or imprison all Radical Muslims for being against our ideology of religious freedom.

Violence against an ideology/religion only strengthens the ideology/religion, only by understanding can we create peace.

It is human nature to find out how dangerous something is. If we do not know something, we fear it because of it's potential capabilities. When we fear something, we want to eliminate it just to be sure. Thus, we end up hating what we do not know. This is the baseline for hatred against a political, religious or racial group, as they are different from your own belief.
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 03:16 PM

Hostile, you see things in such black and white terms it's absurd.

"Muslims stone people!"
"But hold on, Hostile, not all muslims stone people, they're in the vast minority, especially with those living where we are..."
"Oh my GOD! You're SUPPORTING stoning people?"
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 07:17 PM

Americans kill people!

Oh, wait, that's only their army. Sorry for killing ya, then.
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Posted 12 February 2007 - 01:18 AM

personally i believe that the reason we got so many radical muslims is because we've pushed them to it. religion is something that matters for people who see alot of cruelty and unfairness. the more blood spilt the more anger, and what better way to make that anger righteous than through religion?
i hope people see the reason that there might be more radical muslims than radical hindus and christians? india got its freedom from britain in 1947, and havent really been bossed around by them since then. christians are generally not unfriendly to the western world, so you rarely have to do stuff to get them to follow you.

I can't agree. This isn't something they started doing since the 1940's, they have carried this on since islams inception. There are many muslims who do not believe in stoning people. But there are enough that it's worthy of it being recognized as a world wide human rights issue.

http://www.cnn.com/2...s.ap/index.html
3 italian female vacationers were abducted and stoned to dead in this traditional stoning method. One somehow survived to tell the story. I see this as evil as female genital mutilation or human trafficing. These radical muslims aren't godly, they're murderers. They purposely choose medium sized rocks, not large or small. To inflict the maximum pain during stoning without quickly killing the person.

Christians and Jews used to stone people back in the biblical days. Note: biblical days.

Take the Saudis, do you think they cut off a thiefs hand because of something the west did? No, it's thier method of justice.

Hostile, you see things in such black and white terms it's absurd.

"Muslims stone people!"
"But hold on, Hostile, not all muslims stone people, they're in the vast minority, especially with those living where we are..."
"Oh my GOD! You're SUPPORTING stoning people?"


Quote my words.

In my random travels I found sources here that appear to be from ex muslims who saw the light on what radical islam really is about.

No need to try to twist my words. Sometimes you type before you think. And you call me an idiot.

Americans kill people!

Oh, wait, that's only their army. Sorry for killing ya, then.

I would assume you know the difference between accidently killing people as war casualties, and purposing binding someone, half burying them, and stoning them. So there isn't much need for an in depth reply to this obvious imbellishment.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 02:14 AM

So there is a difference between killing and killing! Wait...

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 02:58 AM

There is an absolute difference between accidently killing people due to war time conflicts, and purposely rounding up people and doing a ritual killing with stones, care to define the two or are accident deaths the same as purposeful deaths?

If you Blodo accidently hit a child who ran across the road, and a US soldier accidently shot a civilian who ran across the road during a cross street fire fight? Is that the same as a ritual killing of sub-cultures justice?

See if you purposely hit the child than you guilty of murder, if you accidently hit the child than it's accidental death.

Can you actually compare an accidental death with a planned execution? Or is it in your mind that an accident is the same as a perpertrated death?

The two are not the same. When US troops are trying to shoot someone capablie of detonating a truck bomb that kills 200 people in a market, is it possible someone inocent might get shot?

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 03:08 AM

The U.S. army was bombing the shit out of Baghdad and other locations on numerous occasions. Am I to understand that these bombs were dropped by accident? Abu-Ghraib was by accident too I assume.

Yes, lets generalise a bit. All this makes the you as guilty as they are in my opinion.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 03:13 AM

urgh, this is problematic when all the text dissapears...





I can't agree. This isn't something they started doing since the 1940's, they have carried this on since islams inception. There are many muslims who do not believe in stoning people. But there are enough that it's worthy of it being recognized as a world wide human rights issue.




sure, i've heard about a ton of muslim empires that have tried and succeded at conquering the world. they sure seem alot closer at doing it today than ever before.



but jokes aside, are you not able to consider that the side-effects of our meddling in the middle east might be the cause of alot of the fundamentalism that we see today? the creation of Israel(and its wars) might have been the start, the iranian revolution might have been the middle, and now we are seeing what happens when different cultures and societies interests starts to collide. you should be able to see that your opinions are very much pro-western without much information or reflection to the other side?



i like one of the quotes about Conan the barbarian here, "civilized people are usually more ruthless and honourless than savages and barbarians, because they won't get their heads smashed for a mere insult".





3 italian female vacationers were abducted and stoned to dead in this traditional stoning method.


also, nothing says that those people who stoned those italians are muslims and if they are, they knew perfectly well that what they did was not something their religion would accept. kidnapping old girlfriends because they refuse to get back together with you is good-old fashioned murder with intent. if i picked up a boulder during a party and splattered someone's brain out with it would i automatically turn into a muslim? its like if i crucify someone i turn into a roman! :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 04:03 AM

The U.S. army was bombing the shit out of Baghdad and other locations on numerous occasions. Am I to understand that these bombs were dropped by accident? Abu-Ghraib was by accident too I assume.

Yes, lets generalise a bit. All this makes the you as guilty as they are in my opinion.

The US spends alot of money to try to create weapons that are so precise that thier sole intent is to limit civilian casualties. While not perfect, they are trying to limit civilian deaths. Radical Islam is trying to create weapons that ACTUALLY increase civilian deaths. So can you possibly defend them against the obvious? Radical Islam is trying to kill as many civilians as possible...

urgh, this is problematic when all the text dissapears...





I can't agree. This isn't something they started doing since the 1940's, they have carried this on since islams inception. There are many muslims who do not believe in stoning people. But there are enough that it's worthy of it being recognized as a world wide human rights issue.




sure, i've heard about a ton of muslim empires that have tried and succeded at conquering the world. they sure seem alot closer at doing it today than ever before.



but jokes aside, are you not able to consider that the side-effects of our meddling in the middle east might be the cause of alot of the fundamentalism that we see today? the creation of Israel(and its wars) might have been the start, the iranian revolution might have been the middle, and now we are seeing what happens when different cultures and societies interests starts to collide. you should be able to see that your opinions are very much pro-western without much information or reflection to the other side?



i like one of the quotes about Conan the barbarian here, "civilized people are usually more ruthless and honourless than savages and barbarians, because they won't get their heads smashed for a mere insult".





3 italian female vacationers were abducted and stoned to dead in this traditional stoning method.


also, nothing says that those people who stoned those italians are muslims and if they are, they knew perfectly well that what they did was not something their religion would accept. kidnapping old girlfriends because they refuse to get back together with you is good-old fashioned murder with intent. if i picked up a boulder during a party and splattered someone's brain out with it would i automatically turn into a muslim? its like if i crucify someone i turn into a roman! :rolleyes:

True, you are correct. They splattered thier brains using traditional muslim stoning methods. So I assume they did that to make people think they were muslim when they were actualy just a mad ex-boyfriend. Good point.

Maybe it's ok to think that maybe some people should try to stop this stoning process on a larger scale. You don't have to like me, but it's obvious stoning people is wrong? It's a horrible way to die...

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Posted 25 February 2007 - 06:48 PM

While not perfect, they are trying to limit civilian deaths. Radical Islam is trying to create weapons that ACTUALLY increase civilian deaths. So can you possibly defend them against the obvious? Radical Islam is trying to kill as many civilians as possible...


Most of your posts have been covering your ears and shutting your eyes so as not to see what you don't want to, but here you do make a good point. Yes, a large amount of Muslims are perfectly decent people who don't kill people in the streets, but the thing is that in the world there are many Muslims who are absolutely out yo kill people. I am vehemently opposed to the war in Iraq, but it is true that the US's official policy is not to kill civilians. While I know this is not always followed, it is still means a lot that we don't try to kill civilians. The extremists do. They go out of their way to kill innocent people. They try hard to end the lives of moderate Muslims. In the war in Lebanon, Israel destroyed Beirut ruthlessly in their quest for Hezbollah. But I still think of them as much better than Hezbollah, because they weren't aiming for civilians. Hezbollah was.
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 03:19 AM

With regards to civilian deaths caused by America and Israel vs. deaths caused by terrorists...I dont see much difference in accepting civilian death to achieve your goals and having civilian death as one of your goals. Both show disregard for innocent lives.

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 11:15 PM

With regards to civilian deaths caused by America and Israel vs. deaths caused by terrorists...I dont see much difference in accepting civilian death to achieve your goals and having civilian death as one of your goals. Both show disregard for innocent lives.


America and Israel do not go out of their way to kill civilians. While they can accept innocent deaths as collateral damage, their goal is not to kill civilians. Terrorism on the other hand is specifically targeted at civilians. The whole point of terrorism is to make the general population afraid and to hurt them. It would be the same as if you accidentally hit someone with your car and I drove of the road and chased someone down to run them over (metaphorically speaking :) )
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Posted 28 February 2007 - 03:55 AM

I don't support Israels action in Lebanon. It was horrendous and morally wrong. It was an overreaction on an epic scale. On the other hand, I can see the reason for it in a way. For as long as the Jewish people have lived, they have been persecuted in every single country they have ever been in. Every single one. The Holocaust was simply a particularly bad point, but it was the breaking point. We had been moving from country to country for thousands of years, fleeing porgrammes and similar things. We were weary of this, and now in a more civilized post-war world maybe we could be safe. We looked for a place where the Jews could live, and picked a traditional homeland. Since then, we have been attacked by every single neighboring country even long after your average Israeli stopped being Jewish. They kidnapping was another breaking point, but this does not make the destruction of Beirut excusable. It was horrendous.

Hezbollah saw Israel move in and decided Jews had no right to live there, so they aim to kill every Israeli citizen.

That's the difference between the casulties. Hezbollah does not see that as collateral damage. That was their goal. Yes, the Israeli bombing was awful but it was also desperate. Can you waking up every single day with the knowledge that you could die simply because you were living wherever you live, for being something your ancestors were?
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