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[Thorontur]

Well, I never really play Rohan, but I would usually get Gimli around the mid-game (along with Aragorn), as a major support hero. And adding a power with him would spice him up a bit (I don't really see any balance work).

Yep. Give him new power, give him a high-rank skin, tweak his other abilities so his new one doesn't overpower himself, then he will be awesome. Just to throw out some more ideas...

Axe Throw - level 1

Leap - level 3

Jewel's Lust - level 5 - Gimli bends to the ground and out of a dust cloud (for effect) he pulls two money chests that supply 300-400 resources. Recharge time would be sorta long because Rohan already has Eomer who has pillage, so this should be balanced out to fit alongside Eomer.

Slayer - level 7 - make it have a longer recharge time if he gets Durin's Axe below.

Durin's Axe - level 10 - instead of this being a passive ability as slayer already makes him powerful, Gimli will get this ability. What it does: he swings his axe up (this will be a version of Gandalf's wizard blast, maybe slightly smaller) and then he swings down (causing another wizard blast but goes all around him like WoP and with a small earthquake effect or something). The anims from slayer could be used for Gimli swinging his axe but with something added to make it original.

[Olorin]

The Durin's Axe ability ^^ will have the same effect as leap. I was thinking of one of the combo's the Dwarf had in The Third Age on console, but I don't know how that can be implemented in the game, apart from being a melee anti-hero strike. Problem with that is his Axe Throw takes that effect away.

Edit: also, Gimli having 5 abilities as you stated before Thorontur is way too overpowering. Legolas is his equal IMO and he has 4 (or had 4, the summon doesn't really count).

Edited by Olorin, 10 January 2007 - 12:33 AM.

[Thorontur]

The Durin's Axe ability ^^ will have the same effect as leap. I was thinking of one of the combo's the Dwarf had in The Third Age on console, but I don't know how that can be implemented in the game, apart from being a melee anti-hero strike. Problem with that is his Axe Throw takes that effect away.

Edit: also, Gimli having 5 abilities as you stated before Thorontur is way too overpowering. Legolas is his equal IMO and he has 4 (or had 4, the summon doesn't really count).

Hmmk. Maybe Jewel's Lust should be it.

[Olorin]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Thorontur]

I was wondering, Cel, if Eriador will get some new powers? The current Elves have Avari summon and Elven Mists but will there be any new ones for either faction?

And what will they be?

Edited by Thorontur, 10 January 2007 - 02:13 AM.

[Olorin]

Yep, I think last time we were discussing it in the other thread it was a definate. Don't know for sure though.

[Thorontur]

^^Cool. What do you guys think of Aragorn's rank 10 oathbreaker? Ofc as a Rohan player I love it but from the opponent's point of view (the person who is sieging), it is so op because the single horde will wipe out the entire sieging army alone. Catas, trebs, heroes, etc. Maybe Oathbreakers time could be reduced?

[adummy]

I think cel lowered the time that they are on the battlefield.

p.s. Dont you love how a legolas topic, that was a simple question about mirkwood scouts in campaign, could turn into a topic about Aragorn and Gimili

[Olorin]

We really know how to get offtopic. Anyway, since the Army of the Dead is going to be removed for Rohan, Aragorn should keep it, and (if anything) buff the ability. I was thinking maybe summon the King of the Dead with it as well, but of course that would lead to more modeling and coding, but not that much balancing.

Edited by Olorin, 10 January 2007 - 02:54 AM.

[adummy]

the army of the dead is only going to be removed if Cel can find another power to replace it

[Olorin]

And I'm pretty sure he has: remember the Horn of Helm Hammerhand that we were discussing (can't remember where)?

[adummy]

that was a special power we were talking about for helm's deep

[Thorontur]

Omg I must know about this new power for Rohan!

Imo if Aragorn could summon the King of the Dead like CEleborn summons Celeglin that would be cooler and better balanced.

[Olorin]

Exactly my point ^^.

To adummy: was it just a normal power? I thought it was the uber one...

[Thorontur]

K... now someone tell me if the Witch King gets any changes... It would be awesome if he could go on foot w/ his mace and fire sword with Boromir knockback and he had a really cool power.

[adummy]

To Thorontur: I think the kind of the dead would be more balanced, but i dont know if cel wants to model him. and i think cel said he might, at some point, make it so the witch-king can go on foot but will do it after he wants to do some other things first (wormtongue and such)
To Olorin: It was just a special power that you would click the horn of helm's hammerhand and activate it once (around the time that Eomer and Gandalf come) and it would scare all of the uruk-hai on the entire map

Edited by adummy, 10 January 2007 - 04:58 AM.

[Olorin]

No no no no no, he was thinking of an actual uber power to do with that. I think it's in one of the later pages of the 'Expanding into two factions' thread. Should be there...

Edit: To Thorontur-yeah, I think he was going to make the Witch-King do that. By the way, don't you just love the way we use quotes; 'To Thorontur'.

Edited by Olorin, 10 January 2007 - 10:25 AM.

[Lauri]

guys.... your so dumb.... why on earth should Cel make King of the Dead? he would be as pwning as the other dead, only, his area of attack would be smaler... alot smaler.... so about that idea, I'd say dump it...

[Mathijs]

I really don't like the sound of Jewel Lust... To have Gimli suddenly grab some minerals from the earth is just silly I think.

Maybe Lust for Riches could allow him to gather a small amount of resources with every enemy killed, but that would make him look like a little thief.

[zimoo]

And similar to Eomer.