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#1 Kazyumi

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 01:47 PM

I want to let you in on a secret I've been keeping for a while, it's about my current girlfriend.
I am bothered with her past. I know too many details - and I'll share some with you to perhaps gain some understanding.

I've been with my girlfriend Bente since 17th of september, 2 days after she turned 14 years old.
Now you might want to know what this has got to do with anything... well continue reading then.

On 15th of september, her birthday, she barely knew me (a mere online contact, had a chance to meet her that day but that didn't happen)...
That night, she was seduced by 2 19-year old guys to have threesome on MSN.
They came to pick her up, met her mum and then took her to their place and well... did all the things you don't want to imagine of a 14-year old with 2 19-year old pedophiles.

When she turned thirteen, which was a year before that happened, apperantly she has had worse experiences. Her first boyfriend sexually abused her. Soon after that she was forced by 4 Maroccans to suck them off or they'd kill her. So she did that...
In total, she has had a total of about 10 one-night-stands in roughly a year - with atleast 50% 18+-guys.

Now the age of consent is 16 in Holland... So it's illegal for any adult (18+er) to have sex with anyone underneath the age of consent.

Since the 17th of september, the moment she's been with me - I've taken her out of that world, educated her about what happened and I know she'll never go there - but the knowledge I have still bugs me to hell, and I want to do something about it.
Her mother doesn't know about all this stuff.
Nor do the police know of all the illegal sexual activities (which are by law - rape).

Now I face a terrible dillema.
I'm more or less traumatized with what I know and I keep on having these vivid images of her in her past-time activities, and I want to do something about it.

I've been making up a plan lately.
A plan to expose the 3 (2 of the threesome, 1 of the one-nightstands) 19-year olds to the community network of our town.
Everybody disgusts pedophiles, and well, my girlfriend can't be completely blamed for her naïevity, as she's under the age of consent and those guys were doing things forbidden by law. They will have to face with humiliation and hopefully worse if that happens - but then atleast justice is served.

Also I'd want to tell her mom about what she hasn't been seeing.
She even met the 2 guys before they went of with her daughter for the night to have a threesome.

But I'm still morally in doubt.
My girlfriend, well... she'll probably go through shit when people find out, especially her ignorant mother.
Also, at this moment the situation is basically: she wants to forget her shitty past with me. But I want to put things right - see justice.

Now since I made her a bit more wise she thinks it were just decisions - mistakes - that she made in the past, but I think else, I understand why she made the decisions but I wouldn't dare put the blame on her.
Her parents were in a divorce, she wasn't used to the new school she just got into.
Basically it's her parents fault. That why I wish to tell them what has happened.
But the biggest fellon is not the parents nor the kid, but the pedophiles - and that's who I want to see justified.

I know who they are, I can find them on the community and I know names and have photos.

What do you people think of this situation? What would you guys do in my place? Any recommendations, etc?

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 04:24 PM

hrm, a troublesome situation. personally i report anything that is illegal that happens to me personally. though the pressure and shock that would come upon the victim is usually to be considered.

but personally i believe professional Therapy might be a better way to cope with such a situation than trying to do it on your own, and it would be wise to stop this from festering upon one's psyche. also neither of those guys deserve to walk free with a clean police-record for what they've done. they should be marked for their lives.

although i am wondering about your position in this, since you define yourself as a boyfriend to a 14-year old girl. naturally your not older than my little brother(which makes me understand he does not seem to be very well developed mentally compared to other people of the same age), so you might still be only 15, but when that birthday comes up you better be pretty clear about where you are going with this.

also, the longer you wait the less likely the chances are for anything to happen, and if there is no evidence that these people did anything to your girlfriend(which there doesnt seem to be) i dunno how much the cops can do about it. naturally they can keep an eye on them, but unless they do something again...

must say its quite a disturbing situation though. the way i see it the best thing would be to let people know and then get the best treatment one can before your psyche goes to hell. its quite common that people who have been abused as children gets onto the shadier parts of life later on...

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:03 PM

Fucking hell is all I can say to that, I totally agree with going to the community about that tell the press. The police nowadays are useless, let the community know who they are, then the tabloids get hold of it so the perverts can be dealt with by natural law of the local community. As for the Moroccans, why were probably in the country illegally so you could have them deported back and their government will have them hung for the charge of rape and paedophilia. On the legal grounds, I'm not sure of Dutch law where I thought the age of consent was 14. If the person is under 13 and the other is over 16 then its statutory rape which is punishable by life imprisonment. Once the community knows then those people wont be able to show their face, if the mob don't get them then they will be probably shunned so much that they will end their lives. One night stands are common, I have to admit that I have had a few in the past when I was under 16 at a few parties. I don't see those days as particularly good, The fact is teenagers will experiment. The age of consent is there to protect minors, sadly in modern society humans are despicable, evil and corrupt beings which will take advantage. Your girlfriend was naive, taken advantage of in a horrible way that no girl should be put through.


Sadly due to the time when the events occurred forensic evidence will have been lost making a rape prosecution impossible. The police may be able to do something but with the lack of evidence a prosecution may be hard, do you know any tough, nasty men that you could have sent to meet the two 19 year old individual to have a discussion with? But go to the community and the press, make these people have paedo branded to their forehead. Anyway good luck.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:12 PM

If you did bring stuff like that into the open, you would emotionally devastate her. She'd probably enter a state of depression like you've never seen before.
It's embarrassing, disgusting, and not worth bringing into the public's view unless you want her to hate you. Talk it over with her, see if she's not adverse to the idea, but don't do a damn thing until you hear from her with a final decision.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:26 PM

It her shit, not really much of your business, its her choice if she wants to tell you anyone else.

I can understand you care for her in a boyfriend way but this type of stuff is something you got to live with basically.

If you want to be single and have some shitty conscious if she does something terrible then we can only say, we said so...

She told you and obviously only you so now its about trust.
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Posted 02 February 2007 - 09:35 PM

And getting some guys you have never met punished will help you in what way?
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Posted 03 February 2007 - 08:02 PM

If I were in your position, I would talk to her about your plan first, because it sounds like what you are planning to do could possibly mess her life up even more. But what ever you decide, just make sure that you support her in every way you can without being overly protective.
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Posted 04 February 2007 - 10:48 PM

If you did bring stuff like that into the open, you would emotionally devastate her. She'd probably enter a state of depression like you've never seen before.
It's embarrassing, disgusting, and not worth bringing into the public's view unless you want her to hate you. Talk it over with her, see if she's not adverse to the idea, but don't do a damn thing until you hear from her with a final decision.

I am aware of that now, I'm going to talk to her about it when I get that shitty feeling (about her) again...
Atm I'm cool... But yeh you are right, it will probably depress her or something.

And getting some guys you have never met punished will help you in what way?

How can it not contribute to society if pedophiles like that are stopped?
And how does it not make me feel better when those guys are brought to justice?
All the girls that they (ab)use... come on...

If I were in your position, I would talk to her about your plan first, because it sounds like what you are planning to do could possibly mess her life up even more. But what ever you decide, just make sure that you support her in every way you can without being overly protective.

You are right. I agree with you here.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 11:53 PM

If you do press charges you'll probably need more than a 14yolds word-of-mouth...

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 08:49 AM

I can't say what I'd do. Not that I don't know, I just can't say in a public place what I'd do to those people.
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Posted 05 February 2007 - 04:05 PM

I can't say what I'd do. Not that I don't know, I just can't say in a public place what I'd do to those people.

Now I'm really interested.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 10:08 PM

Meh, I talked to her bout it on the phone and she said on a rather annoyed tone: "Go ahead if that makes you happy..."
And then she said non-chalant that I shouldn't forget "she gave consent back then" (consented to the 3 pedophiles, excluding the Marocans rape).

Gah. I don't know what do with this answer...
I'll talk to her tomorrow bout it...

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 10:39 PM

If she gave consent then there's no legal groundings at, the rape however will be hard to prosecute because there will be no forensic evidence.

The worst possible action is that you will just make her look like some cheap slutty whore if you reveal to the public that she had a threesome with them with consenting sex.
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Posted 05 February 2007 - 10:57 PM

If she gave consent then there's no legal groundings at, the rape however will be hard to prosecute because there will be no forensic evidence.

But isn't this where the Age of Consent-law comes in? She is underneath the age of consent so by law she couldn't even give consent even is she wished to. But I intend not to go after the rapers, those are gone and got away with it. The other pedophiles however...

The worst possible action is that you will just make her look like some cheap slutty whore if you reveal to the public that she had a threesome with them with consenting sex.

Gah, it's still both a disgrace and disgusting to use someone who -is unaware and way underage- for sexual purposes. Especially for 2 19-year olds.
They can be given hell for what they did if public finds out.
And it doesn't really matter what public thinks of her, first of all I won't be mentioning her name, and if it did get mentioned then it's not her to blame, cause she was only 13 for crying out loud. The 19-year oldes should've known better then to be fucking with a slutty 13-year old horny bitch (sorry for the bad talk bout my own girlfriend but that's just what she was).

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 12:11 AM

An interesting twist of fate.
I spoke to one of my best mates (who I've counted on in more then 1 occasion, without even knowing I could reckon on him) and informed him of everything. Turns out that he knows the guys!

Now this mate of mine is as high as I am when it comes to morality and justice.
We're trying to brew a plan. It's just fucking coincidence that he again seems to be able to help me out.

Either something sneaky like getting them so far to make the evidence for us and bring them to public without my girlfriend getting humiliated.
I mean really, can a 13 year old be looked upon because she failed to see she was being used by 3 grown up 19-year olds - even while she doesn't have any moral support from her divorced parents???

Or maybe even violence.

It don't matter to me, as long as I see them punished, though I prefer the way of getting it known in public because bumping them off in a dark alley solves nothing but a few days in prison/hospital.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 12:25 AM

There is something you can do... a while back I cought some guy trying to pull something similar with my younger sister on AIM. I took over and pretended to be my sister, getting him to confess and to meet me. After which you could get the police involved dateline style, or take an alternative route, which I officially do not recommend.
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 12:29 AM

There is something you can do... a while back I cought some guy trying to pull something similar with my younger sister on AIM. I took over and pretended to be my sister, getting him to confess and to meet me. After which you could get the police involved dateline style, or take an alternative route, which I officially do not recommend.

Now that would be one way to lure them out and to get them to make evidence themselves.
I could make a fake account and try to seduce those fuckers and get enough information to lure them into a trap, or just use the data collected to expose em.

Yet I still want to know your alternative route.

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 08:57 AM

5th ammendment, that is all. If you really must hear about it, you'd have to contact me with something that isn't recorded.

I wouldn't recommend doing this without the police.
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:05 AM

i would probably get my hands on the cops and try to take care of those guys legally, making some sort of honeypot trap would probably be the best way of doing it. also, if theres any plans for some sort of Punisher action, i would kinda say that its kinda silly to talk about it in a forum, so most likely that is already out of the question.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 09:58 PM

I consulted with my girlfriend and that mate of mine.
She wanted to talk to them and ask them why they did it and if they regret it. We concluded that it wouldn't accomplish anything as they would say anything to just get her to shut up bout it.

So I took a different approach in the end.

Violence wasn't the answer, I knew that from the beginning.
Exposing would take a lot of work and would probably cause my girlfriend to be humiliated too, so I didn't do that.

Instead, I went with confrontation.

Yesterday I sent a message to both their profiles on the community site.
The message was a direct confrontation to what they did.

Why would you have a threesome with a 13-year old?
Why not with a whore?
Or a girl of your own age?


I guess some of their visitors got the chance to read it, and when they got online they deleted the messages, and shortly afterwards their accounts on a lot of online communities.

Also, since I spoke to my girlfriend of my plans I had wanted to know more in detail of what happened at that night of the threesome. Some more dispicable facts came into the light.
First I knew of it to went like just this: MSN chat, meet up, go to their house and have the threesome then go home.

The entire story instead was MSN chat, meet up, go to their house, their they tried to get her drunk but she refused. Then they went upstairs and they kept on going at her and pushed her into doing it and then it happened.

But I decided I can now let it rest.
They've showed exactly what they are.
Cowards, losers who prey on the weak.
They've shown that they are afraid now that the truth is out and ran off.

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