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#41 olli

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 05:41 PM

Shitting in there mouths is not quite how I would do it.

but it would be painful. I feel strongly about stuff like this, and If I knew 100% it was them I wouldn't have any remorse in inflicting severe pain, but it would have to be concrete evidence.

If I could catch them and force them into a car or van without anyone seeing....then I would take it into my own hands
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:05 PM

No you wouldn't. Dont pretend to be tougher then you are, it's really agitating. Be honest with yourself, you wouldn't throw em in some vehicle and torture them.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:29 PM

No. I'm not acting tough.... and I really dont see my self as a "hard" guy.

But I actually would. I wouldn't kill them, unless i knew I could get away with it and it was an extreme case. But if i managed to get my hands on someone who did something bad like that to a family member of mine, yes i would tourture them to different levels depending on the severity of the crime. If it was a very close friend, I would probably do the same. The law is not adequte in some cases, and it boils my blood to see people get away with it. I feel these type of people should be delt with very harshly, to cause to them what pain they have caused to others, and also it would offer me some sort of comfort to know that there lives would be lived in discomfort for a long time... with a broken bone or something.....


This is all provided that it is possible to locate them and they are able to be "controlled" or restrained by one man. if there a Muscley big son of a bitch, I would avoid one to one confrontation, and unfortunatly, Would avoid confrontation altogether with that individual, and try and pursuade police to do something.


But given that these types of people aren't particularly bulging with muscles it would be rare.
And I would first judge to make sure it would be possible for me to overpower them. Like I said, if not, then ...I would try and find other family members or someone to help.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:36 PM

Then you need to get a hold of yourself.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 07:45 PM

I would never hurt an innocent person.

But I have a strong sense of an "eye for an eye" in serve cases. I dont think its fair that the person who commited the crime gets off with spending time in a building where food, entertainment and shelter is provided for free, which is what a prison is like in Britain.
So I think they should be painfully hurt, slowly.

But I'm talking what I would want to happen to someone who killed a family member of mine for no apprent reason, or if a younger family member was involved with a paedophile....

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:05 PM

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind, you shouldn't stoop to their level like that.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:36 PM

Luckily the whole world doesn't think like me.
But why should they get away with it?

Do you think its right?
Do you think prision is right is adequte in these cases?


I think the MINIMUM that should happen is that they get phycologically tourtured, such as playing constant white noise through the night, then switching it off for about a minuite then turning it back on again. There are also other methods. And it would feel less barbaric than knocking there teeth out and snapping bones.
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 08:58 PM

My base instincts agree, but ultimately I reject the concept of petty revenge as punishment.

And dude...do you honestly think being raped over and over again while rotting in confinement isn't torture? Prison's not exactly a walk in the park.

And Matias, are you supporting the moral choice? Supporting morality? What kind of Nihilism is this? :scars:
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 09:02 PM

but its an everyday thing they will get used to, and most likey enjoy being the sick twisted fucks they are... and with no women, I'm sure they will be the ones dishing out the rapings.

I would still prefere my methods of punishment, provided I could actaully have the power to do that
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 09:22 PM

My base instincts agree, but ultimately I reject the concept of petty revenge as punishment.

And dude...do you honestly think being raped over and over again while rotting in confinement isn't torture? Prison's not exactly a walk in the park.

And Matias, are you supporting the moral choice? Supporting morality? What kind of Nihilism is this? :scars:

Hardly, I just dont believe he'd really do the things he says he'd do. That, and I really dislike the ''eye for an eye'' idea as well, because instead of having an effect, it reinforces the cause. This only applies to people kicking other people's ass because those people kicked their friends ass, for example.

Now, if you were to do something that wasn't similar to what they did to you, something that didn't involve violence...

like psychological torture.

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Posted 08 January 2008 - 10:01 PM

Why don't think I would do it? If I knew I could get away with it I would. The only thing that would stop would would be the concequences on my behalf.
It would not be the fact I would cause him pain which would stop me.

Phycological tourture should be standard for cold blooded murders/paedophiles etc
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Posted 08 January 2008 - 11:56 PM

You say that now, and it's easy enough to for anyone to visualize causing someone else intense pain. But you can't always do it. There's often seems to be something that stops your fist right before it hits. I tried, and it can be hard. On the other hand, sometimes once you start hurting someone, especially someone who can't fight back, you can get really carried away...be careful when you're doing that. You can really ending up doing some shit you'll really regret.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 10:43 AM

But this wouldn't be a school boy fight, where some one has just pushed me in the mud and called my my a slag...#

This would be some one who has killed/raped/molested some one in your immediate family. And I think that most people would be so blind with rage, that it would make them want to hurt this particualr person.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 07:27 PM

As I said, in your mind and in reality are always so phenomenally different that what can be visualized is often completely unrelated to the actual physical truth of the matter. It is ultimately, not a matter of how grievous the crime. It's a matter of base human instinct and personal thought process based on previous experiences. Maybe you'd be able to go through with it. Maybe you wouldn't. Personally, I don't think you would be able to go through with half the stuff you visualize, I mean I can imagine commiting all sorts of attrocities to these people but I doubt in real life I could bring myself to cut off their fingers and tear out their kneecaps.
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Posted 09 January 2008 - 09:04 PM

I wouldn't get pleasure or enjoyment out of it if i took it as far as ripping out knee caps, but if for some reason I did go that far, the reason for doing it would be justice. not particularly humane justice, but justice non the less.... In my eyes.

I'm not saying it would be easy to do, or that I would do that, (depending on the situation and/or crime) but I wouldn't rule it out and say I wouldn't. In extreme situations people often do things which they never ever thought they would do, even if hell froze over. and usually it ends with that person regretting it. I'm not saying I wouldn't regret doing something that harsh either. But I can't say I never ever would not do it.

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Posted 14 January 2008 - 07:20 AM

The Past Is Past.
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 01:53 PM

T be honest, I think that is a frankly stupid thing to say. Other people might agree with you, but not me.

This is what annoys me, when the law and other people take the view "the past is past... Lets move on". Why the fuck should people get away with something as serious as this? why should there be no consequences for there actions? If every one too that view, I'm sure the world would be in ruins now.
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Posted 17 January 2008 - 04:44 PM

Really? If people were as forgiving and peaceful as that, chances are the opposite would be true.

I just think it's useless to go and shove some justice in their face. You dont gain anything from it, although if yer a really aggressive kinda guy it might give you precious satisfaction. Pathetic if you ask me.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 07:41 PM

Though to a degree it is entirely necessary that certain individuals should be isolated from society, however vigilantism is rarely a satisfactory solution.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 11:54 PM

The prison System in America is a piece of Shit. Look at the thread about wasting time. When people are released from prison. They have been raped, attacked, and so many horrible things have happened to them, that you might cheer for them if they came back to the prison and cold bloody murdered the cops that worked at the prison. Because those cops are corrupt bastards. THIS IS THERE LIVES! YOU CAN'T STICK A MAN IN A CELL FOREVER FOR MAKING A MISTAKE! For those who don't care for others, guess how much it costs you to keep them in prison? It would cost less to give them all college educations.

In my honest opinion, nobody deserves prison. Nobody deserves the death sentence either.

How is a stupid to say The Past Is Past. When the Past IS Past. If you beat these people up, your no better then them. And then you deserve to be beaten senseless. Seeing revenge as justice isn't good.

Edited by Cloverfield, 17 January 2008 - 11:54 PM.

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