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#81 Cheshire Fox

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 06:58 PM

And then we should kill the person who killed them for being willing to commit cold blooded murder.

It wouldn't work. Violence rarely, rarely, solves problems.

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 07:35 PM

No, it solves problems once and for all, if used properly. Some people are just unworthy of living and they prove it time and time again - torturing others, enjoying others pain, making millions of people miserable for their own financial gain. I could go on, but why bother?

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Posted 21 January 2008 - 09:43 PM

And then we should kill the person who killed them for being willing to commit cold blooded murder.

It wouldn't work. Violence rarely, rarely, solves problems.



It is the executioners job. He is not an evil person. He has to earn money to pay for things in life.
Thats what I meant by killing them.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 12:08 AM

He has to earn money to pay for things in life.


And the logic completes it's circle. Why does anyone kill? The majority of people kill and murder to get by, because no one is trying to help them and it's between starving or stealing.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:26 AM

Yes,that is true. We don't know the reasons why people kill, which is why you shouldn't condem them straight away.
Apart from paedophiles. (if you notice, most of my posts have been directed at paedophiles, and less about murderers)

Although, if people kill just for the fun of it, then the deserve the chair.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 12:41 PM

Paedophiles cannot actually prevent their behaviour though. They need psychological help, they need to be taught to control themselves. Killing them because of something they usually can't do anything about by themself is rediculous.

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Posted 22 January 2008 - 08:55 PM

There is something messed up big time in there head, for them to need to do it in the first place. They don't resent doing what they do, they get sexual pleasure out of it.
Someone is not born a paedophile... something turns them. Maybe through a childhood experience... but why should other innocent children suffer? Whos to say that a paedophile wont strike again once they have lernt how to control themselves? that is a risk that can not be taken in my honest opinion.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 09:06 PM

So this is why we ISOLATE them. It has the same effect, without the cold blooded murder.
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:07 PM

Indeed, that's why we isolate and attempt to TREAT them.

You cant just go and kill someone because something is messed up in their heads. If they looked at themselves with a rational mind, I doubt they'd choose to be the way they are, whether they were born like that, or became like that.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:56 PM

So this is why we ISOLATE them. It has the same effect, without the cold blooded murder.


The death penalty is not cold blooded murder. You could still terminate their life humanly. Isolating them means money needs to be spent on thier welfare. Attempting to treating them means spending money on them. Keeping them in prison means money.

All this money could be put towards a better cause, such as cancer research? or some other benifical cause. Would you rather have it wasted on paedophiles or put it towards something useful?

I know this is not going to happen (in UK anyway... all my posts have been based on what happens here... and what I think should happen.) and even if they were killed, it would probably be wasted somewhere else, but I don't like the thaught of spending money to keep a paedophile alive.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 02:01 PM

Ending the life of another human being is still murder. Even with the worst of serial killers, the death penalty shouldn't happen... it makes you no better than them.

All this money could be put towards a better cause, such as cancer research? or some other benifical cause. Would you rather have it wasted on paedophiles or put it towards something useful?

What about the billions of dollars wasted in worthless wars such as Iraq? It's the same thing...

Edited by Alias, 23 January 2008 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2008 - 03:20 PM

I know this is not going to happen (in UK anyway... all my posts have been based on what happens here... and what I think should happen.) and even if they were killed, it would probably be wasted somewhere else, but I don't like the thaught of spending money to keep a paedophile alive.

Paedophiles are sick as well. They're sick humans. Simply killing them because of their state is inhumane.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:40 PM

Matias, people don't just catch paedophila like a disease. It developes over a long time. And they enjoy it. They don't hate what they do, which is why they get sexual pleasure out of it. Why are you being sympathetic towards them? Were they ever sympathetic towards children they killed and raped?


Also Alias, who is this "you" you speak of? I am not the one doing the killing. Like I said it is the executioners unfortunate job. And even then, he is not murdering someone. He has to do it. I'm sure he wouldn't like to.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:48 PM

Of course they dont just catch it, but its still a mental disorder developed over a certain period of time. They are ill. Of course they dont hate what they do, that's part of it! That's the PROBLEM fer chrissakes. I'm not being sympathetic to them, I think they should be isolated and systematically treated. I just dont think they should be MURDERED because of a mental disorder.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:49 PM

Also Alias, who is this "you" you speak of? I am not the one doing the killing. Like I said it is the executioners unfortunate job. And even then, he is not murdering someone. He has to do it. I'm sure he wouldn't like to.

If "you" want to murder paedophiles (also known as the "death penalty") then you can pretty much say "you" are planning murder because you a wanting to kill a group of people (actually, that's more of genocide, isn't it?).

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:49 PM

So this is why we ISOLATE them. It has the same effect, without the cold blooded murder.


The death penalty is not cold blooded murder. You could still terminate their life humanly. Isolating them means money needs to be spent on thier welfare. Attempting to treating them means spending money on them. Keeping them in prison means money.

All this money could be put towards a better cause, such as cancer research? or some other benifical cause. Would you rather have it wasted on paedophiles or put it towards something useful?


Your money is worth alot less then there lives. But if you disagree and think your money is worth more then see it as this. There life is equal to yours. Therefore If you ever go to prison for breaking and entering we may as well kill you too.

In fact if you ever see a little 6 year old who was abandoned by his family and he is peeing on YOUR lawn. You may as well kill that kid too. Or you could make it less of cold blooded murder and terminate them humanly. Like take him inside and inject him with poison.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:58 PM

Seriously. That made no sense to me what so ever. Killing a 6 year old peeing on my lawn? Explain how you came to that conclusion?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 08:59 PM

Also Alias, who is this "you" you speak of? I am not the one doing the killing. Like I said it is the executioners unfortunate job. And even then, he is not murdering someone. He has to do it. I'm sure he wouldn't like to.

If "you" want to murder paedophiles (also known as the "death penalty") then you can pretty much say "you" are planning murder because you a wanting to kill a group of people (actually, that's more of genocide, isn't it?).


I'm not planning on going out and killing them personally.... I just think the government should do it.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 09:02 PM

I dunno I got the flu. So it's kinda hard to write anything worth reading. Anyways that thing about there life being worth more then ur money. You have a response to that?
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 09:11 PM

Also Alias, who is this "you" you speak of? I am not the one doing the killing. Like I said it is the executioners unfortunate job. And even then, he is not murdering someone. He has to do it. I'm sure he wouldn't like to.

If "you" want to murder paedophiles (also known as the "death penalty") then you can pretty much say "you" are planning murder because you a wanting to kill a group of people (actually, that's more of genocide, isn't it?).

I'm not planning on going out and killing them personally.... I just think the government should do it.

That's not what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if you're the one killing them, you still want them dead. Which is "planned/assisted murder" in my books.

Edited by Alias, 23 January 2008 - 09:11 PM.





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