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#1 Shine On

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 09:37 PM

Right over the past few weeks i have noticed alot of changes around the forums. Both with sudden rank changes and now also forum changes. I'm not sure about the other people here on Revora but i'm getting pissed off at the fact that everything just keeps suddenly changing... and there is no form of explination given. Or if there is, its been prized out slowly and painfully :crazed:

So now's a chance for the NL's and Admins to explain what the hell is going on here. Considering that this network seems to be reliant on its members we have the right to be told about any major changes being made here... and its also classed as manners to TELL someone they are going to be demoted... and im not talking about my Mod powers, i'm on about all the other things you've done to other people...

This Network was good, until recently (the past few months) its slowly taken a dive, what with all the feuding, pulling rank, demotions and sudden re-organisations. If this keeps up im sure that it will start seriously damaging Revoras reputation. :)



Also as a final query, why was that "Who Wiped The Black Market" thread been locked? There is no logical reason for that to of happened.

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#2 Ash

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 09:41 PM

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:22 PM

@ Paradox: YA RLY

Communication breakdown,
Its always the same,
I'm having a nervous breakdown,
Drive me insane!



Yes, the network is growing large. No, that is not an excuse to no longer care about members.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:31 PM

I would break the beans, but that's Banshee's job seeing as he is the networks PR. Apparently he's not doing a very good job at it either, if people still have no idea what's going on.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 11:15 PM

My crystall ball doesn't work, honestly. Neither my mind reading device, my magic wand and also my.....


Man, in a good team, everyone comunicates. You can't expect me to speak for everyone here. I only knew about the reform Mig did at the RA2 Editing Forums after Xeno posts that topic.
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Posted 19 February 2007 - 11:39 PM

As I said before, after moaping around the internet for a few years now, I have learn't professionalism and many skills. I think thats what this place needs. You need to explore the internet abit more and check out other communities, see how they do it.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:15 AM

My crystall ball doesn't work, honestly.


That's MY line! You stole it!

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:26 AM

As I said before, after moaping around the internet for a few years now, I have learn't professionalism and many skills. I think thats what this place needs. You need to explore the internet abit more and check out other communities, see how they do it.

Well when you where admin you didn't, so don't play innocent now. Don't make believe, only now, you saw the light of how a forum should be run. You had more than enough time to lead people to that "promised land"

You know what you did? Nothing, go make a note of that for historians sake.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:39 AM

I grew very bored of Revora once this whole 'Revorlution' happened, Revora grew stagnent. There wasn't much point in doing anything as there was nothing to do that had any point to it.

I dont want to start a flame war, so please calm down :/

Oh btw. I looked after the hostees, set up new FTPs and what not for new hostees, managed the forums, organized SOTW, made a redesign for RCAlert (was never coded in though) and did graphical requests here and there.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:52 AM

As I said before, after moaping around the internet for a few years now, I have learn't professionalism and many skills. I think thats what this place needs. You need to explore the internet abit more and check out other communities, see how they do it.

Well when you where admin you didn't, so don't play innocent now. Don't make believe, only now, you saw the light of how a forum should be run. You had more than enough time to lead people to that "promised land"

You know what you did? Nothing, go make a note of that for historians sake.

I did nothing too. Why? Because I was getting chronically bored of it all. Also I don't know how many people actually did work during the "Revrevolution" but it sure wasn't many. And those that did weren't posting progress, the network felt like everybody forgot about it - go figure.

Motivation is everything. No motivation - no work. Replacing all staff every once in a while won't do you much good honestly.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 02:26 AM

Motivation is mutual. If your motivation is low and you clearly show it, you are also lowering the motivation of the others who work for the same cause.

What do you guys expect? Perfection? No... everything has a timing and so does Revora.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 03:41 AM

So the obvious solution is to fire me then, right? Great solution! Let's ignore the root of the problem completely, and focus on things that don't matter at all.

It is your fault that somebody isn't motivated to begin with. Everybody had a certain (usually large) amount of motivation when they joined. You still refuse to ask yourself the question: Where did that motivation disappear?

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(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 05:18 AM

Firing is not the best solution. I prefer talking with the person on MSN and trying to see what's going on instead of posting this kind of thing in the forum. People seem to have problems to distuinguish what is a private issue and what is a public issue and where to post certain things.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 08:52 AM

Also as a final query, why was that "Who Wiped The Black Market" thread been locked? There is no logical reason for that to of happened.

Yes, there is.


Yes, the network is growing large. No, that is not an excuse to no longer care about members.

I can't speak for everyone, but I do care about the members. However, it gets hard to *keep* caring for certain people when they so often get you down, backstab you, tell you in unconstructive ways how to do your job, or do not care about you anymore. Note that the previous sentence applies to a few people only.


Man, in a good team, everyone comunicates. You can't expect me to speak for everyone here. I only knew about the reform Mig did at the RA2 Editing Forums after Xeno posts that topic.

I agree, communication comes from *both* sides.


Well when you where admin you didn't, so don't play innocent now. Don't make believe, only now, you saw the light of how a forum should be run. You had more than enough time to lead people to that "promised land"

You know what you did? Nothing, go make a note of that for historians sake.

I grew very bored of Revora once this whole 'Revorlution' happened, Revora grew stagnent. There wasn't much point in doing anything as there was nothing to do that had any point to it.

There were plenty of things to do. I agree with Hostile here. And, IF indeed you got bored, why don't you contact one of us? I can't guess 100% how you feel Lee.


I dont want to start a flame war, so please calm down :/

Good. Neither do I.


Oh btw. I looked after the hostees, set up new FTPs and what not for new hostees, managed the forums, organized SOTW, made a redesign for RCAlert (was never coded in though) and did graphical requests here and there.

Those things you did, but the last couple of months as RCalert admin, you didn't do that much tbh. As ROC admin you didn't do a lot either lately.


I did nothing too. Why? Because I was getting chronically bored of it all.

You didn't do much indeed.
You're always free to say so and step down from your position. But you didn't.


It is your fault that somebody isn't motivated to begin with. Everybody had a certain (usually large) amount of motivation when they joined. You still refuse to ask yourself the question: Where did that motivation disappear?

We can't force people to like a job. Same way I can't force a modder to continue modding if they don't feel up for it anymore. You can try to motivate people, true, but you can't radically change their minds. I can show you the road to your destination, but you're the one that has to walk over it.


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You know what also gets peoples motivation down? This constant whining and bickering. If you don't like it here, either say something constructive, or just go. We do not force you to stay here. Don't waste other people's time by being unconstructive only.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 12:35 PM

I never thought I'd say this to you gaia, but that was a load of political bullshit.

no wonder so many people think you NLs are assholes, we come to you with a complaint and the first thing you do is pass the buck onto your inferiers, or blaim us. I don't know if this is the way you intend to work here but in the real world the leaders of any group that succedes make sure they know whats going on. thats how the fuck you know what your community's doing. and you make sure that your staff also know whats going on. In short stop passing the buck, it's sickening, because this used to be a great place and now it's beginning to turn into a real shit hole
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:17 PM

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:31 PM

As ROC admin you didn't do a lot either lately.


Interesting. So how is the clan still alive?

No offence but Revora didn't have anything to do with the clan (of course it doesnt anymore) but it never really did. I bet any NL here couldn't name some of the players without having to look up a member list.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:40 PM

As ROC admin you didn't do a lot either lately.


Interesting. So how is the clan still alive?

No offence but Revora didn't have anything to do with the clan (of course it doesnt anymore) but it never really did. I bet any NL here couldn't name some of the players without having to look up a member list.


could you name any T3Aers ? I bet you can't even name the moderating team.
NLs are supposed to care about the network. Each with his/her task. Not to know about every single attempt to build a community.

so that's not a valid argument.
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Posted 20 February 2007 - 01:50 PM

Touche. However, there is always the fact that the clan is still alive and active.

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Posted 20 February 2007 - 02:03 PM

People seem to have problems to distuinguish what is a private issue and what is a public issue and where to post certain things.

The reason why i posted THIS thread here is so that everyone (including standard members) can see what the issues are and voiced their oppinions too. Sorry that this isn't as well thought out and covered up as you may of wanted but thats tough.

Its getting quite pathetic that people are constantly using the excuse "well i'm not a mind reader" or words to that same vain. You have eyes dont you, you have common sense don't you, if things grind to a halt then a little lightbulb should appear in your brain "Hmm why has this happened, i'd better look into this". Rather then leave it for several months (with the project just sitting there) and then suddenly fire the people involved.

As the name Network Leaders suggests, you are ment to be leaders of the Network. We understand that you can't know about everything thats going on but you as LEADERS control, to a certain extend, what the admins and such are doing. Especially if its area/member changes :scars:

Yes, there is

Ok, would you mind clarifying this? Rather giving another of your bloody cryptic responses. That thread wasn't doing any harm, there was no flaming and just people asking WTF happened :scars:

Edited by Xeno, 20 February 2007 - 02:05 PM.

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