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[duke_Qa]

http://www.vnunet.co...s-conservapedia


thought this was a funny one that deserved it own thread. some people find the wikipedia, which has been proven to be almost as precise as any professional encyclopedia, has a political left wing bias and has too few "good" values.

funny things like how atheists are morally defunct people because they don't have any religions to watch over their behaviour, and how Einsteins theory of relativity has never been useful for anything, and ofcourse that faith is a christian thing that no other religion has access to.

ooh, i cant wait until the big cheeses of religion and fundamentalism starts adding their opinions to this, this will be better than uncyclopedia

Edited by duke_Qa, 01 March 2007 - 11:50 AM.

[Ash]

I think I shall have to ruin that conservapedia.

Oops, did I say ruin? I meant 'contribute to in a wholly constructive manner'. Yes.

I swear, I have never heard anything so fucking moronic in all my lifelong days. Oh, wait, I have. Someone said Donny Osmond wasn't gay.

Edited by Paradox, 01 March 2007 - 02:51 PM.

[Comrade Kal]

I believed it to be parodical for a period of some time.

[MSpencer]

Well I'd like to see some unbiased sources on any of those articles...
You see PAGES of citations on Wikipedia articles, but their article on atheism has 0 citations despite numerous unfounded... accusations?

[Cheshire Fox]

The most pathetic thing I've ever heard was a school in Georgia forcing teachers to refer to dinosaurs as Jesus Horses. I really do hate this country. It never seems to have occured to the people out there that maybe the world has moved on, and that their religion has no place in politics. I completely agree with you guys when you say religion is old, and its place is definitely in Shul's, Mosques, and Churches.

On a side note, I just like to say that I hate debating theology in general, and so resign from the debates. Neither of us is going to change our minds and we will both just end up hating each other and misinterpreting messages. Naturally, I assume many of you are going to view this as a retreat and a surrender to the glorious overpowering force of logic, coming in to save the day from the poor ignorant Darkskul...

Political debates, on the other hand...

Edited by Darkskul, 01 March 2007 - 08:21 PM.

[Ash]

I believed it to be parodical for a period of some time.

I would like to hope you're right, but it doesn't look like a parody to me...

On a side note, I just like to say that I hate debating theology in general, and so resign from the debates. Neither of us is going to change our minds and we will both just end up hating each other and misinterpreting messages. Naturally, I assume many of you are going to view this as a retreat and a surrender to the glorious overpowering force of logic, coming in to save the day from the poor ignorant Darkskul...

No, I see it as internalisation of something not directed at you to be a personal attack, which it never has been. You're bitching about things that haven't even happened to you. I have never ONCE directly made a point of critically looking at your beliefs, yet you seem to accuse me of having done so. I don't even know you. You regularly claim yourself to be a moderate, and yet you seem to be fanatically employed in the duty of trying to make yourself out to be the board martyr.

Political debates, on the other hand...

Political debates cram themselves totally full of an equal, if not greater, amount of finger-pointing, bandying, bitching and general bullshit as any religious debate I have ever partaken in. Do you not wonder why I never bother to participate in political debates anymore? On the one hand, you have Hostile and Kal + Immo + Blodo + Gosho going the twelve, on the other you have America vs The Multiverse. It's a bigger bag of bollocks than religion.

Basically, once you post in the Think Tank, you absolve yourself of any right to not be flamed. Because every thread in that category is a glorified flame-war. Every single one.

Edited by Paradox, 01 March 2007 - 09:03 PM.

[Cheshire Fox]

Your probably ight in most of your accusations. I don't handle theological arguments well, they never get anywhere and neither I nor you will ever have our minds changed. Hence, my retirement from the subject.

As for looking at my beliefs critically, well here you go:

Many aspects of religion are, of crouse irrational. There are many customs and traditions that make no sense. Why the ban on pork and shellfish? Why would God create the Universe? Why should I believe in a God without direct, physical proof when science can provide answers based in research? I accept the fact that my beliefs are old, and possibly useless in this world. If everyone gave up religion, maybe the people who use it as a bludgeon would lose power. Maybe it is holding us back. What you can't understand, and I'm not accusing you in a negative way, Paradox, is that there is more to it than God. Yes, belief in God in the base of religion but there's ties. My Jewish friends who I see maybe every two weeks I'm closer with than the people I hang out with every day because there's something in common. Both of have parents who were slaughtered by the Nazi's and the Cossacks. Both of us can relate to the suffering that's gone on for thousands of years. There's a sense of identity. And to me, giving up my heritage as a Jew would be a sort of betrayal to the people who stayed Jewish through times of opression under the Egyptians, Romans, French, English, Russians, Germans, Polish, Americans. It seems to me that now that we do finally have a time of relative peace, maybe even for just one more generation we should value it before being assimilated.

That's the last I have to say on the subject. Please don't manage to twist that into a personal attack.

[duke_Qa]

identity is more a cultural thing than a religious thing imo. but then again religion is quite often a collection of cultural quirks. if you are in the states i would claim that jews take their religions a bit more seriously because there are less fellow worshippers around them in their every day life, thus the fear of losing a part of your culture is what you get. its a bit like the people who fear that Islam will wipe us all out and turn our children into muslims, but not as antagonizing.
Compare it to moving from one part of your country to another and trying to speak your own dialect for individuality or converting to the locals dialect.

nothing wrong with stuff like that as long as its not hurting anyone. there are plenty of secular jews around i believe that follow the traditions, people who uses the stuff that is rarely a big problem in modern life, but doesnt follow the religion to the letter.


the problem is when people of different religions uses the religion as a excuse to make bad cultures. having god on your side helps when you are about to do something morally defunct. Islam is one of the most female-friendly religions there are, but we can clearly see that its not followed to the letter.


Anyway, i feel this is a discussion going on in 3 different threads right now. shall we keep that discussion in the "...goes to church..." thread?

spencer: soures yeah. well they don't have the time to make a new design for a second site to have sources on so they just ignore it and add to the rules "sources are for the doubtful. those who have doubts have no business here, and will burn in the fires of damnation and liberality, where their posterior will be available for the evil and immoral creatures of the human race"

[Calamity_Jones]

That conservapedia is laughable. Like spencer said, there's pages of citations on some articles, I'll take pleasure in subtle vandalism of this shit-pile.

edit: bugger, you have to register.

edit 2: ollol

Edited by Calamity_Jones, 02 March 2007 - 08:26 AM.

[Ash]

Lol.

[Alsch]

"For when facts are just too left wing"

Right when I read that I groaned. I love the subtle, nearly invisible "inconvenient" they hid in the words "left wing".

Edited by Alsch, 02 April 2007 - 10:54 PM.