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#41 Elerium

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 06:47 PM

Hmm, it appears Iran's president has released the soldiers and they should be on a flight to return home by tommorrow, still it shows him to be a loon by playing the west once again. I don't trust him in the slightest anyway.

I think this was merely a test of Britain's patience and had shown us that we controlled the situation poorly and also by giving in somewhat to Iran.

Anyway at least this conflict is over for now, hopefully.

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 07:14 PM

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has met with some of the 15 British military personnel held in Iranian custody for almost two weeks, shortly after pardoning the group and vowing to set them free.

Iranian state television showed footage of Ahmadinejad shaking hands, smiling and chatting with the detainees who were dressed in suits. One of them was heard to comment in English: "We are grateful for your forgiveness."

I have one thing to say, you fucker. The blatant intimidation by Iran against the UK. I understand, at this point, it's best to thank them and get you're people home.

I still think there should be some "serious what if plans" set up to invade Iran. We have Pelosy sucking up to the Syrians on her trip to Syria today.

I believe IMO we need to seriously decide if we're going to lay down and be bullied, or is the western world ready to step up and "set things straight"?

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 08:27 PM

Irani, as in like Iraqi? Dude you just made up a new word. It's Iranian. :thumbsupsmiley: I'm just playing so no offense meant.


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irani
noun
a native or inhabitant of Iran; "the majority of Irani are Persian Shiite Muslims"


naturally it brings up iranian first because it sounds much better but its perfectly usable.


I still think there should be some "serious what if plans" set up to invade Iran. We have Pelosy sucking up to the Syrians on her trip to Syria today.

I believe IMO we need to seriously decide if we're going to lay down and be bullied, or is the western world ready to step up and "set things straight"?


so instead of diplomacy we should have the fires of war ready just in case someone doesnt follow our every command down to the letter? i bet that before bush is out of the white house he will have attacked iran in some way that have caused big trouble around the world. if the rest of the western world would rather go for a more diplomatic solution to problems why should one prepare in unison on aggressive politics mainly used by neocons like bush?

the diplomatic pressure is already pretty high on Iran, and if they don't get a grip soon they will most likely start feeling even more trouble than before. but the spindoctors doesnt really have any good material to work up another war in the middle east right now, especially one that would be 4xIraq. if they start getting access to nukes i don't really have anything against bombing their nuclear facilities but it won't really help as it will only antagonize us and get the western world more enemies.


i found that pelosi's trip to syria was a nice way of giving bush the finger. i don't like all the stuff that syria has done through the years, but everyone down in the middle east has done alot through the years that nobody really should like so i don't see why it would be a good reason to make pariahs out of them?

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Posted 04 April 2007 - 09:52 PM

I think this was just one big publicity stunt by Ahmadinjad to quell any unrest or dissatisfaction in his presidency. He has portaryed himself as being omnipotent and also omnibenevolent. He's trying to solidify his stance that he leads a strong Iran that, for lack of a better term, wont take shit from anybody. Though westerners likely wont buy it, i think this may renew the Iranian people's faith in him.

Though I dont agree with what the Iranians did, I think this can only be seen as a goog thing for Amahdinejad and his Islamic republic. Though not necessarily a defeat for the entire west, this was deffinately a defeat for cowboy diplomacy.

If it had been 15 american marines, instead of brits I really don't want to know what would have happened....

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:01 PM

global stability is for peaceloving hippies i say! we need blood and hate if we are to be great men in history!! our planes will blot out the sun, tonite we dine in Teheran!!</sarcasm for any irani spies who start wondering :p>



the way i see it, the western world likes the status quo, but we are seeing signs of stress in the seems. China is expanding and turning into a modern nation, India is pretty damn big too, and Russia has plenty of raw resources to sell where we have pretty few. the middle east is what i would call a life buoy for the western world until the very important picture of energy consumation can be altered. cold fusion or any alternate energy source that can replace gasoline in a minute would be the ultimate saviour of our way of life.

but i find it hard to believe that we will find a solution to that the next 20 years... we will prolly swat two flies with one stone and take out some competition while we are at it.

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 08:30 PM

What we really need is a 3rd world war. Just call the Iraq war practice. Keeping our lads fighting fit incase a war comes along that we actually have to fight. We need war. If there was no war, we'd get bored pretty fucking quick, and there'd be no such thing as command & conquer. ;)

I say put the top players of the the C&C games in charge of a few armies and we can rule the world with an iron fist again. :p :D :D

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 08:50 PM

I do fully agree with the point the guest is making.

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 09:50 PM

War is nothing like in the movies or games.

Some guy I don't remeber once said something like (Im great at quoting aint I :p):

"War is only glamorous to those who havn't experienced it"

Which is true. Everybody always see bombs going off and soldiers marching fearlessy into battles and think "wow, this is awesome, go patriotism!", but they never see the emotional and absolute human destruction conflict causes.

P.S. With regards to americas dependance and intervention in the middle east, I stongly suggest y'all watch Syriana. Just saw it last night and it's an AMAZING movie.

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 11:20 PM

Only movies are like movies, but from reading a few descriptions of Syriana, I can imagine it giving something to think about. It may actually come close to reality in a few ways.

It's not so much the theme of the movie, but rather the way in which it is brought.
This is an interesting review.

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From reading a few comments and viewing the trailer, I can't say I like the sound of Outlaw, nor do I think it's similar to Syriana in it's intention.

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Posted 07 April 2007 - 11:02 AM

There is no way in hell that UK attack Iran. I dont think so, it is not like Iraq, in iraq, 100 people die every day, and they iraqi people are killing eachother, not americans, but in Iran, every person is a terrorist that hates them, and they all have guns. Thay also have a huge military, many many people get forced to the army, like my cusin, he went to Iran to merry a girl but got trapped in the army. I have been in Iran for 2 mounth. It is like swedish prison!


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Posted 07 April 2007 - 03:16 PM

Media brainwashing for the win...

I have been in Iran for 2 mounth. It is like swedish prison!

Reading posts completely for the win...

Sure I have little doubt it's exaggerated quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure it really depends on the area he has been to, but he wrote from personal experience, not what he heard from the media.

Sorry to hear what happened to your cousin Gaffel :(

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Posted 07 April 2007 - 04:50 PM

Media brainwashing for the win...

I have been in Iran for 2 mounth. It is like swedish prison!

Reading posts completely for the win...

Sure I have little doubt it's exaggerated quite a bit, and I'm pretty sure it really depends on the area he has been to, but he wrote from personal experience, not what he heard from the media.

Sorry to hear what happened to your cousin Gaffel :(

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Posted 07 April 2007 - 06:18 PM

So Iran is like swedish prison and everyone in Iran are terrorists who wants to kill westeners and take away our freedom and liberty?
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Posted 07 April 2007 - 08:31 PM

do not underestimate the power of the swedish prisons. the two things that the swedes are good at is Ikea and prisons, they are practically running gitmo in the name of the states you know :p

anyway, i hope that caspa was being ironic to my replies(as i was being quite ironic if not sarcastic myself), but he didnt seem to stop while the joke was good so it kinda got into bad territory in my eyes.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 12:34 AM

believing very unlikely tales for the win

As you may have noted, I made the understatement that he exaggerated quite a bit. :p

However, I do know that if one my friends ever put his foot inside Turkey, he will be drafted into the army.
Turkey is not Iran, but I have as much reason to believe there is no such thing as a draft at Iran, as I have to believe there is.

And here is an intercept from the Britannica encyclopedia that shows there is indeed a draft in Iran:

Iran's military obtains much of its manpower from conscription, and males are required to serve 21 months of military service. The army is the largest branch of Iran's military, followed by the Revolutionary Guards. This body, organized in the republic's early days, is the country's most effective military force and consists of the most politically dependable and religiously devout personnel. Any security forces that are involved in external war or in armed internal conflict are either accompanied or led by elements of the Revolutionary Guards.

Now I heard from my dad that when he was drafted, he never fired a shot... however, considering the major differences in the geopolitical surroundings, I guess Iran probably does things differently...


Also, I agree with his point that compared to Iraq, there is less chance of a civil war at Iran. If the western countries do invade Iran, they won't be seen as libirators, as at least part of the Iraqi people did see the Americans. Nor are there two medium/big sized religious groups who oppose eachother, which there are in Iraq.

Iraq:
Religions:
Muslim 97% (Shi'a 60%-65%, Sunni 32%-37%), Christian or other 3%

Iran:
Religions:
Muslim 98% (Shi'a 89%, Sunni 9%), other (includes Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i) 2%


And no, I do not think every Iranian is terrorist. Certainly not. But it seems to me they do know how to handle a weapon and defend themselves and their country with it...

His post was exaggerated, but I indeed do believe there is truth in there, inbetween the lines, if you filter out the exaggerations. And it's not the sort I get to see from the media.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 01:02 AM

One of the officers are from my town, hes a hero back at home now. I'm just glad they are back in safe hands lets hope Operation: Persian Freedom will commence soon.
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Posted 08 April 2007 - 11:07 AM

No, let's not. Yet more absolutely unnecessary and profitless loss of life. Yet another country whose freedom to be run the way it wants to will be destroyed by an Anglo-American jackboot.

While indeed I don't condone whatever they did to those Marines, they didn't kill them. Think how many will die if a war does erupt. This shit must end some day.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 05:14 PM

I have to agree, attacking Iran in any form would not be a good idea. But I do believe there should be serious and highly publicised "what if plans" though.

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 09:31 PM

Agreeing with Para here too.

And I think that making highly publicised "what if plans" will only work against the situation.

Where it invokes an expectancy from the western population, it will be used as propaganda by the Iranian government, to "prove" they have always been right about the west. If the "what if plan" propaganda and the resulting propaganda of the Iranian government is effective enough, the Iranian government may actually convince their population and perhaps other nations that are not on the best terms with the western world.

That situation can lead to the "what if plan" actually becoming "the plan"...

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Bottom line: I strongly doubt Iran will allow itself to be intimidated, at least not that easy and not with the instable situation in their surroundings, where the Western world is not exactly viewed upon as each human being's best friend...

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:39 AM

I've just heard on the radio that the sailors are allowed to sell their stories to the media (which was banned only a few days ago) and they are also getting payouts. Sounds like someones paying them off for a job well done...

And I think that making highly publicised "what if plans" will only work against the situation.

This entire conflict is stupid and being manipulated by the media. Have none of you learnt from 2002/2003 and Iraq? Why are you again discussing the same topics we were discussing a few years ago. The only reason Iran is a threat is because its becoming a large power in the middle east and putting threat to corporate dominance there. Why is everyone once again falling for corporate propaganda? All i am getting again is deja vu, except the year is now 2007 and they are using exactly the same tactics.

Where it invokes an expectancy from the western population, it will be used as propaganda by the Iranian government, to "prove" they have always been right about the west. If the "what if plan" propaganda and the resulting propaganda of the Iranian government is effective enough, the Iranian government may actually convince their population and perhaps other nations that are not on the best terms with the western world.

They are already doing that. Its funny, all you need to create a war is create the illusion of "enemies" via mass media. The corporate west is using media to manipulate its populance into believing theres a threat directly against them and Iran government is doing exactly the same. Its beyond ridiculous how easy it is for leaders to fool people anywhere in the world.

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