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Posted 10 March 2011 - 01:21 PM

As we tested alpha version,we give feedback to Creator about economy.I think it will stay as in 007.

Thats the eco(yay!),and what about the game speed,is it as in 007 or has it been changed as well.(well creator wanted to double the building times if i remember correctly)

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:35 AM

AIR-FORCE general tank and base defence is weak and he doesn't have bomber only wyvern is strong and after attacking it moves around enemy base so it can be destroyed also if it is attacked even with red guard in the airfield it will be destroyed easily why don't you add bombers and make b-2 spirit to drop the MOAB and make the planes in the large airfield protected please because he has no anti-infantry and his base defense is weak against infantry
so the infantry can enter the base and destroy wyvern and some times if there was even a single infantry all my planes will automatically attack the infantry and the missiles can destroy my building.

give him more strong unit better plane for gathering resources which carry 1000,1200 anything so that i can gather resources faster .

add bombers he doesn't have bomber only in destructive force mod he have bombers and helipad
in destructive force mod he have everything but the problem in destructive force that there is no rank system when i play with my friend the game usually lag so i want to play contra but please add some strong unit and bombers.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:05 PM

give him more strong unit better plane for gathering resources which carry 1000,1200 anything so that i can gather resources faster .


First off, AFG has fine planes, and if I recall he does have the aurora so does have a bomber (if not heavy bombers as well. I'm getting remix and contra mixed up as I haven't played either for a while.) In addition, raptors still do high damage to buildings (not defenses, but buildings like power plants), so he's sufficient at taking on buildings.

In addition he is supposed to have weak tanks and base defenses. Jets are fast enough and reload quick enough that they are stronger than any base defense, and should your enemy be bringing mostly anti air, bomb his tanks quickly and engage him with your own tanks, as they should be able to win that fight (give a little air support while they are distracted).

As for the resource gatherer, you must notice that the more resources a gatherer holds, the longer they are at the depot, so they gather at about the same rate (arguably GLA gathers the quickest because you can have multiple workers gathering at the same depot at once, but I don't know the numbers).

in destructive force mod he have everything


I don't mean to be advertising but have you tried Remix? Pend has a thing for including as many units as he can, and has a semi-similar tier system to contra. Issue is there is no AI beyond Robot general who's a bit overpowered at the moment, but also with so many units balance is hard to do.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 05:58 PM

AIR-FORCE general tank and base defence is weak

AIR-FORCE general = Aircraft not Tank

Tier 1 Base defense is to stall your enemy not kill everything in Contra (not only USA one). Advanced base defense (A10 caller) can be used offensively.

he doesn't have bomber

These can be counted as Bomber.
- F16XL >> Long-range tactical bomber
- Chimera >> Extreme-range missile bomber
- JSF >> Anti-tank fighter/bomber
- Aurora >> Super-sonic deep strike bomber
- Wyvern >> All purpose bomber
You just have to know how to use it though.

he has no anti-infantry

Have you ever tried Contra Combat Chinook? Its grenade launcher kills infantry group quite quickly. Loaded with missile defenders, it can be used to fight tank as well. Also, Humvee can kill infantry too. Lone Infantry can be killed easily with stealth sentry droid with machine gun. You should read my strategy topic. Check post #10 & #11. You just don't play it correctly.

better plane for gathering resources

I wish for this too but it should not affect game balance.

add bombers he doesn't have bomber only in destructive force mod he have bombers and helipad
in destructive force mod he have everything but the problem in destructive force that there is no rank system when i play with my friend the game usually lag so i want to play contra but please add some strong unit and bombers.

This is Contra not Destructive Force. Destructive Force may lag on your computer because of intense graphic from coded destruction. But you should not expect one mod to be like another. If you have problem with lag on Destructive Force, you should tell that mod team to fix it, not telling Contra to be Destructive mod.


As for the resource gatherer, you must notice that the more resources a gatherer holds, the longer they are at the depot, so they gather at about the same rate (arguably GLA gathers the quickest because you can have multiple workers gathering at the same depot at once, but I don't know the numbers).

Gather rate is $3000/min. However, due to unit cost-effectiveness, I think Contra has economic imbalance. Some further testing/adjustment with 008 is needed to see how it would affect the game.

Edited by Casojin, 11 March 2011 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 08:06 PM

I would like to suggest to remove "detect stealth airplanes" ability in F-104 Zipper when you are playing for GLA demolition...I cant see a reason why it shall be there, because it is unthinkable to destroy F-22 with that flying shit called Zipper... ok, it can destroy visible planes or helicopters, but F-22 ? never... GLA demolition is overpowered- the combinations of anti-aircraft planes, bomb truck+ nuke truck+ tunnels, fast workers on bikes building invisible demotraps (detect only with sentry drone while playing the USA) is undefeatable...

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:09 PM

Train few months with skilled player,then come back here and read your post.
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 09:09 PM

demo general is already getting alot of nerfs in the new version(read changelog),nuke truck+tunnels won't exist anymore
the anti-air planes are supposed to detect stealth planes,because you know,they are anti-air planes
and while demo attack are strong,don't forget that you have to sacrifice units to be able to deal a good amount of damage.


seriously,whats up with all this random suggestion throwing?

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:26 PM

CONTRA TEAM

GIVE ME A LIST OF ALL THE THING WE SUGGEST AND YOU ADDED IN 008 BECAUSE ALL THE SUGGESTION THAT I READ YOU DIDN'T ADD.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 09:47 PM

heh, you want to read through 168 pages of suggestions?

Mind you, a mod is not a committee made thing. Just because you make a suggestion does not mean it will be implemented. In fact, it is entirely possible that every suggestion is rejected. However, most help the creative process, and may be added with some variation, or spawn a new idea.

In the end, it isn't your mod. You aren't doing the programming, the modeling, the texturing/rending, so you have no right to be upset when your suggestions aren't taken. However, if no suggestions from the community were taken, what would be the purpose of a suggestion topic, especially one that's grown to 168 pages.

Creator listens, but he's got his own idea for the mod, and so wont incorporate everything that we suggest.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:25 PM

One new thing that Creator is adding is the Apocolypse Device. I remember awhile ago someone suggested very powerfull nuke that destroys all of map, so creator thought it was good and is adding it.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:42 AM

@Ronaldo
Suggestion is not COMMAND.

You can suggest something but it will always be CREATOR who decides what to add.
You cannot COMMAND the modder to add something to his mod.

I have suggested a lot of things and a lot of them are not added. Only the best of the best stuffs is added. When we suggest something, we post everything in detail about it too. Like....how it would affect the gameplay....how would it be used in game....and so on. So far, I saw only 'add this and that' and some with bad reasons (like turning Contra into Destructive mod) from your suggestions. If you could provide some more detail and better reason into your suggestion, it would give more chance for seeing it in Contra.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 12:33 PM

Can you show us how the new AIR-Force general base defense (colossus) and the new effect for the AIR-Force super weapon in the USA trailer please

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 12:48 PM

I have a suggestion

when i play with poison in skirmish when a build my defense site the howitzer want rank 3

while my teammate can build without reaching even rank 2

my teammate can build the defense site with the howitzer or any building with mines but when i play i should build the defense site first then i choose the howitzer or i buld the building when i purchase the mines

is there anything that i don't know please till me i am waiting

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 02:01 PM

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 02:08 PM

New stuffs will be shown in the trailer, Colossus and Sparrow included.

In 007, Def Site Howitzer requires rank 2. Referring to your teammate, what is he (Human or AI)? If he's AI, then it's normal because AI build things by script not command button like us. Also, AI has to skip to the blank Def Site phase. Making it acting like human is very hard to script. So, you would usually see AI build something human cannot do. Even GLA supply stash needs a beacon to guide it or GLA AI will not work with Contra system.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 10:03 AM

when you will finish USA trailer

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 10:39 AM

Soon.
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 12:52 PM

Have you thought about adding "random" opportunity when you are choosing the team ? all the time we have played generals we play at least 2 vs.2 with random generals, it make the game more interest. If you added that options, computer would sort us and give us team according to the number of players, and together with choosing random generals, it would be more enjoyable. Sometimes when we play gens, some of the player are complaining about the members of their team, if the compuuter choose who players will be together acording to computer´s random choosing, it will fullfil me dream :lol: of course the omputer could choose random map, that toghether with random generals and random team members be more strategic

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 02:51 PM

Random team and random map are not coded into ZH nor some other successors (C&C3, RA3).
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Posted 16 March 2011 - 02:04 PM

i really think nuke should have his base defenses back...
+ it might be more useful to have the colonel burton's more even in strength... because lvl 3 cyber burton is unstoppable.




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