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[robnkarla]

I've been going through and trying to put together a list of Evil Heroes that I would like to be included in the campaign. While they will not for right now be added to skirmish, I might add them when I rework the factions in skirmish mode.

So here they are:

Mordor-
Akhôrahil (Nazgûl) - New
Dwar of Waw (Nazgûl) - New
Hoarmûrath of Dír (Nazgûl) - New
Indûr Dawndeath (Nazgûl) - New
Khamûl the Easterling (Nazgûl)
Morgramir (Nazgûl)
Ren the Unclean (Nazgûl) - New
Uvatha the Horseman (Nazgûl) - New
Witchking or Angmar (Nazgûl)
Gollum
Gothmog
Mouth of Sauron
Snaga - New Orc
Shagrat - New Orc
Grishnákh - New Orc
Búrzolog - New Olog-Hai

Goblins-
Drogoth
Goblin King
Shelob
Lozenarjâ - New Snow Troll
Ghûndor - New Hill Troll
Northern Dragon (Adding for a new mission I've been working on - looking for name - along the lines of Scatha the Worm)

Isengard-
Lurtz
Saruman
Sharku
Wormtongue
Uglúk - New Uruk
Mauhúr - New Uruk

Evil Men-
I'm looking for between 3-6 heroes to represent the evil men. I'd like one from each of the three groups - Easterlings, Haradrim, Variags of Khand.

Keep in mind that for right now these heroes are those that you will have to fight and/or kill in campaign. I will also be using them as a basis as the heroes in the evil campaign.

If you have names for the dragon that you would like to see, names of the evil men you would like, or there are any other heroes that you would like to see instead of those listed above please let me know. For the Nazguls I will be providing each one with at least 1 unique power and I am also trying to work on a couple of ideas for them that I will announce when they are complete. If anything, I thought they were black riders, not dark gray riders, so I'll be playing with their skins to at least make them something other than dark gray.

Robert J

[GilGalad]

I think the dragon name could be Smaug or Glaurung.

For the evil mens heroes: for Haradrins could be Sulladan cuz he is their leader.For Khand could be Brodda cuz he is from Khand but he only appears on the Silmarillion(Duhh!).For Rhun could be Ulrad an elite archer.

[zimoo]

Oh god not Suladan, almost every mod uses him. If he was actually mentioned once in the books I wouldn't have a problem, but he isn't so I do have a problem XD

Harad - Herumor, Fuinir or Castamir. Men have a habit of naming themselves after ancestors.
Rhun - Lorgan, a first age hero (see above) but lesser known than the (now) fairly common Ulfang and his sons (and even Brodda to some extent).
Khand - One of the unused Haradrian names possibly?

[adummy]

ill pin this for you my good friend

[robnkarla]

Thank you for the input.

I probably won't go with Suladân. That is too much a mixture of real history and Middle-Earth. Also make me think of the crusades more than anything. I definitely want to create the Black Serpant Chieftan, but I'll use a different name.

I like some of the names, and I'll figure out how I want to incorporate them.

[Hearach]

I wouldn't use Smaug, because it would probably be kind of freaky using a dragon that's meant to be dead.

[GilGalad]

Whats the problem with characters that are dead?
Haldir died in the movie but he is in the game.
Gandalf the grey "died" but he is in the game.
Aragorn was the name of an ancestor of Aragorn II Elessar.Elendil, Denethor, Boromir and Isildur too.And all the ancestors were dead.
Then it would have no probelm using name of dead creatures or characters.

And in The Hobbit book Smaug is the most powerfull and ganancious dragon of that age.

Edited by GilGalad, 16 April 2007 - 09:57 PM.

[zimoo]

They all 'died' during the WOTR though, Smaug didn't

[Allathar]

Perhaps add Bill Ferny and/or Lotho Sacksville-Baggins to Isengard? Alatar & Pallando to Evil Men?

Note: 'Snaga' would definetly NOT be a hero, since his name means simply 'slave' in orc-language. So he was a slave and definitely no leader.

Some info 'bout Lotho:
Lotho "Pimple" Sackville-Baggins: He was called "Pimple" due to his complexion. He became an accomplice of Saruman during the War of the Ring. Trading pipeweed with Saruman for money, he began buying land in the Southfarthing, where Men from Isengard were stationed. With the aid of these Ruffians, Lotho was able to depose and imprison Will Whitfoot, the Shire's lawful mayor, and declared himself Chief Shirriff. Under his command the Shire was industrialised. Lotho began to call himself The Boss. However, Lotho was soon stripped of his power, and Saruman took over. Saruman's servant Gríma Wormtongue killed Lotho, and either buried Lotho — or ate him.

Bill Ferny was Sarumans agent in Bree.

Quick question: will the scourging of the shire be in the good campaign, where you'll have to fight with hobbits against Saruman & his thugs and wormtongue?

Edited by Allathar, 17 April 2007 - 02:02 PM.

[JEV3]

I think using Snaga as a name for a early game goblin hero is better than making one up... and I had the fact that it meant slave in mind because I wanted a cheap, early-game hero...

[zimoo]

Mauhur as an early game hero. We know he wasn't important enough to send after the fellowship, and was only used to take reinforcements. He also got pwned really quickly, suggesting a lack of skill/tactics.

[Devon]

mauhur would work, but snaga wouldnt imo because he's not really a goblin, hes a mordor orc.

[m@tt]

Goblin = Orc

[Devon]

Well then whats the point of having seperate mordor/goblin factions?

My point is, mauhur was from the misty mountains i think, and snaga was from mordor

[zimoo]

Says who?

And as for the point of seperate factions...I honestly have no idea. If you find out then please tell us

[Allathar]

Hey then what about Lotho-Sacksville-Baggins?

[JEV3]

I will use Snaga for Goblins, but he will probably be closer to an orc in build... So what if I mix some orcs and goblins in the Wild faction, I should change the faction name to Wild so I can use all evil creatures who do not directly serve Mordor...

EDIT: I like the idea of Freny of Sackville Baggins as an early game hero, the irony! Bill Ferny is Isengard's ring hero in my mod, even the weakest of men can be terrifying when using the ring, though by using it they will be utterly overpowered by Sauron's will...

Edited by JEV3, 18 April 2007 - 08:01 PM.

[Devon]

Says who?

well, mauhur and his 'lads' ran away into the forest when the rohirrim scout got away, while ugluk's fighting uruk-hai "did all the real fighting", as he put it. This, when put together with the fact there were many moria goblins seeking revenge that had also come, led me to believe he was not in fact from isengard


at least thats my take on it, maybe i shud go reread TTT to find out.

[zimoo]

Mauhur brought reinforcements, it was Grisnakh and his lads who ran into the forest

[Devon]

actually great zimoo, im pretty sure you're mistaken for once. My recollection is that grishnak stayed with the group to make sure orders were carried out correctly. *goes to get two towers to double check*