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[Ash]

Yeaa I always though that the Nod Subterranean Transport was VERY imbalance since you could load up infantry and even Engineers, scout your enemy's base for weaknesses, then drive 2-3 of them loaded up right in the center of your enemy's base and just cause mass havoc!

Westwood thought of that. Pavement for the win!

[thudo]

And a defence against sub-terranean units would be concrete pavement like TS.

There was buildable concrete pavement in TS? Don't think so. That would make TS like SimCity if they implemented that which is too cumbersome. So no the Subterranean Transport is still too easy to abuse.

[Ash]

I DO think so. I believe it was a 2x2 square you could build. And, of course, you only needed to build it between your structures (although you could build on top of it).

Remember Dune 2000? You had to build pavement there too to stop sand damage or sandworms popping up in the middle of your base. Same difference.

[thudo]

I remember in Dune 2 and 2000 but in the C&C series? Doubt that. Concrete Fences I remember.

[Stealthsnake]

there is pavement in TS, i always put it all over my base, and put mobile sensers things up.

[Athgar]

I own the game, and have played it recently. And yes there is pavement in TS.

[Ash]

Yea the mobile deployable sensors found stealthed units. Pavement stopped Nod subterranean incursions. Subterranean engi rushes are more viable in RA2 mods including sub transports than they ever were

[Nighthawk]

So then marking the pavement terrain in C&C3 as impassable to units with the subterranean locomotor would solve the problem. Although now I think on it, wouldn't that mean they can't drive over its surface either?

[thudo]

Oh man.. guess its been 8+ years since TS.. wow... So out of it.

[Stealthsnake]

Yea the mobile deployable sensors found stealthed units. Pavement stopped Nod subterranean incursions. Subterranean engi rushes are more viable in RA2 mods including sub transports than they ever were

you could detect where suib units are too with senser arrays.

[Ash]

you could detect where suib units are too with senser arrays.

Never said ye couldn't. Main use was for spotting stealthies tho.

So then marking the pavement terrain in C&C3 as impassable to units with the subterranean locomotor would solve the problem. Although now I think on it, wouldn't that mean they can't drive over its surface either?

Your solution would make driving over it impossible, yeah. However in TS sub units could traverse the surface. They could burrow underneath to pop up at the other side of it, too; they just couldn't surface through it or dig-down into it. They would drive along and then burrow down at first sign of any 'diggable' terrain.

[JEV3]

I have heard that all the cool Tiberian Wildlife from TS isn't really implemented in this game and it dissapoints me that the ion storms don't come up randomly anymore... :(

I also want to see the return of some of the cool things from TS... like the FS walls and stuff... Another thing I want done is:

"Red Zones are places where Tiberium has mutated so bad it is no longer recognizable as earth"

I have been told that the red zones don't look that bad... I think that new textures with tiberian grass and stuff that does not damage you, and mutated trees that aren't blossom trees would make it work... The Italian Red Zone should be like an alien jungle... for all I know it could be a desert with a little tiberium here and there...

When a mod comes out that fixes it then I'll definitely think about getting CnC3... but for now... FS ftw!

And no I am not a CnC3 modder and won't be until I have run out of projects for BFME... and even then I'll probably do a little bit of both...

[Nighthawk]

EA's explanation on the hover units being out was that the cost of GDI trying to maintain these units became too much, and it was more economically viable to go back to jeeps. Kind of a stupid explanation considering that they were reasonably cheap in TS ($900 I think).

[Master Windu]

It's just plain stupid, why would they do that? I would say that they must have a good reason for it, but what could possibly be a good reason for that?

[Nemoricus]

Hmm...Reasoning? How about a return to traditional C&C, i.e. Tiberian Dawn?

They did it to attract people who liked the original game. Thus, loss of Tiberian Sun's special units and technology.

[TX1138]

Nemoricus makes a great point there. To me, there are three things that make a CnC game; MCV's, the Sidebar, and the Mammoth Tank

And if you think about it, CNC3 is quite a big leap from Generals I mean Dozers as construction units? Seriously, what were EA thinking? Nothing in Generals was CnC, they just slapped on Command & Conquer to the title to boost the sales

And why are so many people complaining about the lack of the Mammoth MkII? It was just a complete rip-off of the AT-AT from Star Wars And the fact that they put 'Mammoth' in the name just made it worse The lack of the Mammoth Tank in Tiberian Sun really ruined the game for me, as every other CnC game had a Mammoth Tank in it (excluding Generals, but that really cant be classified as CnC, can it )

EA, could have done a lot better, but they could have done a lot worse And perhaps if we all keep complaining about the lack of subterranean units, they might have one in the expansion

Edited by TX1138, 02 May 2007 - 08:39 AM.

[Phil]

Or we keep complaining and then mod it in ourselves

[Nighthawk]

Knowing EA though they've probably removed the ability to put in subterranean units, so they can keep as much of 'their' C&C in mods as possible.

[MCV]

Lets face it guys, EA just wants to make a shitload of money, which they do this way:

They don't actually make C&C3. What they do is the following:

First, they decide upon the sides:

USA
Terrorists
Aliens

USA because it will appeal best to players in the US. (Ignoring that, population wise, US<EU and US<World)
Terrorists because of militarisitc nutjobs who just want to kill Al-Queda.
Aliens because everybody knows you can't make a game without a Third Side which is radically different from the two other. (See Yuri, E:BFD Ordos, and others. [Also see Starcraft and AoW for examples that it is possible]) Aliens have the added benefit of being mysterious so you can give them anything you want in their arsenal.

THen they put some poor corporate wage slave to search through their databse of licences, using the following terms: USA+Terrorist+Aliens+Money. The wage slave finds the following sentence: "In Tiberian Sun, the terrorist organization the Brotherhood of Nod steal artifacts from an Alien craft that has crashlanded in the USA." A quick summary of the game also contains the term "Money"

Further research shows that the game allready has a huge fanbase, who are destinied to buy the game. EA says go, and starts developing.

The first thing they do is to ask some guy to write down the storyline of the game in one document, so they can use it as a master-script when making the game. When showing the 20-page scrip to his boss, the boss deicides he would rather go golfing today, and asks for a 1/2 page summary. He writes the summary down in his notebook, and publishes this as the master script to save time.

The developers sees that they actually have to make the sides the same as they were in the previous games, so they call the USA for GDI and the terrorists for NOD (North Oman Donkeys) The development team is split into two groups, on for Global Defence Initiative, and one for North Oman Donkeys.

WHile the development team is discussing, one from the Nod team decides that he needs closer information, so he picks up a copy of Tiberian Sun from an old EA storrage. Before he can install the game it is stolen by a person from the GDI team, who upon installing decides that the game is too dark for him to play so he plays Tiberian Dawn instead. THe NOD Guy starts plotting out Nod units, powers and structures based on what he saw on the back side of TS, while the GDI guy sums up the units in TD.

THen management decides to switch the teams around, which causes NOD to get their funnily shaped Flame Tanks and GDI to actually have the Juggernaut. The ideas are then sent to graphics, and the whole development team starts to work with the aliens.

The graphics department is lead by a dominating guy who has never actually seen a tank up close, but still decides how all the tanks should look.

The Alien people suddenly find out that there actually is a race of aliens in C&C, and they find out that thye can use the name. (Which explains why it took so long time before thye called the aliens Scrin.)

Then, they hire a scriptwright who makes medicore B-movies, and hire a bunch of Sci-Fi people who all have acted in movies and series from a world set 5000 years into they future, thinking this will help the in the world set 40 years from now. The scriptwright is the only perosn actually does something, but he is not allowed to see the previous cutsceenes, believeing this might cause him to make a story that is too complicated for your average pr0n-addicted-12-year-old to follow. (Namely, more than three characters per side)

Thye also hire a bunch of people from MIT, denying them acces to source material but still expecting them to understand tiberium. When their final result does not look as expected, EA fires them all and reuses the old tibeirum, but without the pods (How the fuck does plant grow through the ground?!)

They then release the source-material to about five people, telling them to "patch up any holes that might have arrisen."

After finally joining the FMV team, the GDI/NOD team, the environment team and the Scrin team, EA puts up a month of ballancing before thye go gold.

(If you actually read through this I'll give you a summary of what is bad in C&C3:)

• Americanization of GDI
• Ignoring TS & FS
• Turning Nod, a very special terrorist organization with own agendas (WTF happened to divination?) into a futuristic GLA.
• Poor implementation of Scrin
• Loss of canon. (Get the dates right at least...)
• "Ballancing" of Superweapons (They are all equal. That's not ballancing.)
• Complete loss of all that was cool (MMKII, the Forgotten, CABAL, Walls)
• Railgunless railguns