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#41 duke_Qa

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 09:59 PM

i would rather say an X with extra hooks on the edges. also you have to be careful about which direction the hooks are facing. clockwise is the correct one.

ali's dream seems to be that to get rid of the 'rabble' one should legalize heavy drugs and give them out in large doses and assume that they will kill themselves with it, thus 'cleaning' the world. the first thing i would have done in such a case would be to get some government papers to look like ali has bought heavy drugs, then arrange a timely 'tragedy of a disturbed young man, tired of the way the world is going'. and then i've gotten rid of some 'rabble' myself!! *mad laughter* :p

libertarianism isnt much more houseclean than darwinism in my opinion.

the biggest advantage of legalizing drugs is that you get control over it, and you get logs over people and you remove the soil for organized crime. the negative parts is that it would be easier and cheaper for people to start using, so it has to come on your records to discourage use. family and neighbors should be notified depending on the severity of the drugs, thus hopefully causing stigma.
if some kid is using money given to him by his parents to buy drugs, i wonder how long that money would come around if his parents started getting notes on what he is using and how much he is using. age is irrelevant to privacy when it comes to heavy drugs in my opinion.

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 11:42 PM

ali's dream seems to be that to get rid of the 'rabble' one should legalize heavy drugs and give them out in large doses and assume that they will kill themselves with it, thus 'cleaning' the world


Uuuuum...I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 09:32 PM

From my personal experience with drugs i'm now against drugs, however I still think a 10 year education replacing the current propaganda we have on them and then gradual legalisation is a far better solution to the problem than it would be to allow organise crime continue to rule the drug trade.

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Posted 29 May 2007 - 10:01 PM

congrats on the new personal view on drugs. the only thing i think people should be addicted to is chocolate and sugar :lol:

its very hard for children in the right age to really understand all the things that you might give intel about when it comes to education within drugs. a basic hierarchy of the seriousness of the different drugs and some generic information about what they do compared to alcohol is ok imo, but trying to explain in depth would in my opinion be more alluring than it should be.

on the topic of legalization, it should be legalized in the way that official people gets proper control over who has access to the drugs and stopping illegal drug trading. i am not for it if its going to be a commercial thing where global corporations starts pumping out viral marketing about drugs and the likes to sell their product legally that way.



darkskul; when it comes to politics like that i don't really bother to wait and see if ali is sarcastic because he has a very right-wing political opinion and that would fit right in there.

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 12:35 PM

The only education i ever got on drugs was "This is a drug addict, she is homeless and has no job. Do you want to be like this?"

Its ridiculous. No education on the effects of drugs, no education on the drug trade, no education on how drugs chemically alter the brain or cause mental illness. Nothing.

If you really want kids to learn. Teach them what they need to know rather than try scare them. When the opportunity arises curiousity will take its natural course and they will end up trying drugs, sometimes with dire consequences.

I've seen one of my best mates drop out of college, lose his job, be kicked out of his home and unable to get support because he is so addicted to drugs. Theres nothing I can do to help him other than give him advice and let him stay at mine every now and again. He still lives in a dream world however.

I don't think so many people would end up in these situations if there was proper and mature education on these.

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Posted 30 May 2007 - 12:52 PM

Uuuuum...I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

You clearly don't know Ali that well.

From my personal experience with drugs i'm now against drugs,

Now hang on a minute, you can't blame the drugs for the problems you had with them. You still had to consciously ingest them...I'm not saying there wasn't a problem there, but it wasn't weed's fault you smoked so much of it :p

Still. It was your choice to smoke pot. You realised it wasn't doing you any favours. You chose to stop and I imagine (hope?) you choose to abstain. But other people should be free to make their own mistakes in life without the government restricting what we can and cannot do to ourselves. Last I heard, self-harm wasn't illegal. Why should smoking pot or popping an E be?

however I still think a 10 year education replacing the current propaganda we have on them and then gradual legalisation is a far better solution to the problem than it would be to allow organise crime continue to rule the drug trade.

Indeed. But how can you 'gradually' legalise something? Although I do wholeheartedly concur that better education, regardless of whether drugs become legal or not, is an absolute imperative.

The only education i ever got on drugs was "This is a drug addict, she is homeless and has no job. Do you want to be like this?"

Yep. Same. "These are illegal. Don't take them." That was about it.

Its ridiculous. No education on the effects of drugs, no education on the drug trade, no education on how drugs chemically alter the brain or cause mental illness. Nothing.

Nor their benefits. Like how cannabis can help ease the symptoms of multiple sclerosis. Drug-taking for recreational and even religious/spiritual reasons has been part of human society practically since it first began. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest occasional ingesting of general narcotics is any more or less harmful than abstinence. The reason people get screwed up is because they take such high doses and they don't moderate themselves, and eventually become a complete mess. And I don't blame the drug, personally. Opium never did the native americans any harm, nor western society when it got started. Many of history's most respected were drug takers.

If you really want kids to learn. Teach them what they need to know rather than try scare them. When the opportunity arises curiousity will take its natural course and they will end up trying drugs, sometimes with dire consequences.

Indeed. An occasional escape through chemical means is not in itself a problem. It's when the use becomes pathological that it is a problem.

I've seen one of my best mates drop out of college, lose his job, be kicked out of his home and unable to get support because he is so addicted to drugs. Theres nothing I can do to help him other than give him advice and let him stay at mine every now and again. He still lives in a dream world however.

As I say, he chose to take that much of the substance. He's responsible for his actions and must live with the consequences. I can't personally say as I sympathise for him but I do for you and for those other people close to him.

I don't think so many people would end up in these situations if there was proper and mature education on these.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Edited by Paradox, 30 May 2007 - 12:54 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2007 - 07:34 PM

despite their age of consent being twelve

16 actually.

Anyways. I think that we should, just like Ash said, legalise it, control it and monitor it. Just like with ciggarettes and alcohol - tax it crazy.

Edited by Kazyumi, 30 May 2007 - 07:36 PM.

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