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[narboza22]

Ya, sure, keep telling yourself that...

[olli]

by any chance....
do you think george bush is a good president?

[narboza22]

Yes, I do think Bush is a good President, and I think that history will show him as one. Given the events that have taken place during his time in office, I do not see how anyone could have handled things differently or better. Look at the alternatives to Bush, Gore or Kerry. Compared to those 2, anyone is better.

In fact, the only reason that so many of you make him out to be an evil moron is the war in Iraq. Given that most Americans no so little about what is actually happening in the war that they might as well have their heads up their asses, I do not see that as a valid reason to say he is a bad leader. In fact, last Saturday was my grandma's 85th birthday and my entire family came in from out of town, and it turns out that more than half of them hate Bush, but cannot verbalize a reason for hating him. The best they could come up with was oil, which I was nauseated to find out that most of them thought that the war in Iraq was about oil, regardless of the fact that they could not tell me how much oil the US gets from Iraq.

As for domestic policies, Bush as done fine in my book. My family put me through private high school and now I am going to college, and my dad runs his own business. Judging from that, and the people that I see everyday, I can honestly say that everyday life in the US has done fine under Bush's lead.

But could there be a better President than Bush, yes. I would rather have someone who is pro choice, someone who lets the public in on what's happening more often, and someone who would have direct talks with anyone who wants them.

But overall, I think that Bush is a good President, all things considered.

[olli]

But overall, I think that Bush is a good President, all things considered.

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right.
ok then...

[chemical ali]

Be fair. He isn't far wrong.

Just no...

Bush is no way near a fascist, its just a lefty thing that anyone right of Marx is a therefore evil and kills Jews.

[narboza22]

But overall, I think that Bush is a good President, all things considered.

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right.
ok then...

So what is it exactly that makes Bush a bad President to you?

[olli]

oh nothing....nothing at all........

[narboza22]

So basically you have no reason not to like him other than he gives you an opportunity to bitch and moan?

[DemonWolf]

Be fair. He isn't far wrong.

Yes, actually, he is.

[Cheshire Fox]

Yeah, all he did was start a war. I mean, c'mon that's not SO bad. I mean, all he did was lie and use false intelligence to get us into that war. I mean c'mon, that's not SO bad. I mean, all he did was forbid sex ed. educators from telling people that using a condom could help prevent cancer. That's not SO bad.

I could go on.

[Silent_Killa]

all he did was forbid sex ed

Where in the hell did you hear that?

[narboza22]

Yeah, all he did was start a war.

So Wilson, FDR, Kennedy, Truman, Bush#1, Clinton, Reagan... were also bad Presidents for leading the US into war?

all he did was lie and use false intelligence to get us into that war

And the reason that you can ignore every other world leader lying to their population is...?

all he did was forbid sex ed. educators from telling people that using a condom could help prevent cancer

What?

I could go on.

Please do.

[Ash]

Dude, you can't justify these lied-about wars on grounds that "LOOK! OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE WAGED WAR TOO!!"


That's just...well, silly.

Okay, if not fascist, let's instead say imperialist. Or, alternatively, dedicated to creating a power axis. Subjugate all these poor mid-Eastern countries, install vassal governments, and you're set for priority 1 rights to whatever natural resources they may happen to possess. Just so happens that in those countries there is a lot of oil either within the borders or very nearby.

They might not be getting the oil so much now, but that's no reason to assume that it isn't simply pre-planning.

[narboza22]

Dude, you can't justify these lied-about wars on grounds that "LOOK! OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE WAGED WAR TOO!!"

His reason for not liking Bush was because he lead the US into war. It was completely valid to ask whether he thought all the other Presidents who had fought wars were bad as well.

Okay, if not fascist, let's instead say imperialist. Or, alternatively, dedicated to creating a power axis. Subjugate all these poor mid-Eastern countries, install vassal governments, and you're set for priority 1 rights to whatever natural resources they may happen to possess. Just so happens that in those countries there is a lot of oil either within the borders or very nearby.

And how many other countries exactly have these so called vassal governments? Not even Iraq as far as I can tell, so by my count that would be Zero.

Kennedy, Truman, Bush#1, Clinton, Reagan

Yes.

Are you a pacifist?

No. He had a legitimate cause for entering the war.

So the fact that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen so that he could get into WW2 is irrelevant? Come on, that is worse than Bush's bad intell. And then all that crap about the Nazi's would invade the US? Ya right...

[Cheshire Fox]

No, the part where the Nazis would invade Europe. And if the U.S. hadn't stepped in, more of Europe would have fallen under Stalin.

[narboza22]

No, the part where the Nazis would invade Europe. And if the U.S. hadn't stepped in, more of Europe would have fallen under Stalin.

The Nazis already had invaded Europe by the time the US got involved. How would Stalin have taken over Europe? The only reason the USSR did not lose the war was because Hitler was wasting his time and resources in Western Europe with the US and UK. Had Stalin not insisted that FDR and Churchill take care if Germany before Japan, Hitler would have been more than able to defeat Russia.

[Athgar]

If Hitler had reached Moscow before the winter, and removed Stalin and the other heads of governement, Russia would probably have collapsed and they would have won. But he didn't and from that point they couldn't really win the war. The Red Army was slowly, but surely grinding down the german war machine. I doubt that germany could have won the war against Russia, it was only really a matter of how far into Russia they would come.

Also, its bollocks to say that Iraq wasn't about the oil. Iraq has some of richest oil fields in the territory, but you think they invaded it because of the WMD's? Or to help the poor oppressed Iraqis, as they later changed their focus to?

[Ash]

Narboza, any government installed by the Iraqis would have to be ratified and approved by the US government. They aren't going to let another fascist run to follow in Saddam's stead, do you think?
Don't be surprised if they're not telling you this, though.

Edited by Paradox, 06 June 2007 - 01:43 PM.

[narboza22]

Narboza, any government installed by the Iraqis would have to be ratified and approved by the US government. They aren't going to let another fascist run to follow in Saddam's stead, do you think?
Don't be surprised if they're not telling you this, though.

Yes, obviously any Iraqi government would have to be pro-US, because if it wasn't, then it defeats the whole point of getting rid of Saddam.