Royal vs. Sarkozy
#1
Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:35 PM
Were I french, I would deffinately vote for Segolène Royal. She seems rational cool headed, and seems like she wont instigate any major riots. She also seems like she would continue with France's rejection of all that is american.
Sarkozy on the other hand, is a rightwing hardliner who will likely instigate more riots in the foreign quaters of french cities, and has even openly admitted he admires the United States and president Bush.
#2
Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:39 PM
Sarkozy is an absolute nutter. He LET the riots happen a year and a half ago. The guy is absolutely insane, he's just left of Le Pen, but not by far at all.
Royal, despite the fact she's the candidate who will bring nothing new to the country, is the only possible choice for president. Maybe she'll smarten up when she's in office and institute more reforms than she already has planned.
I also loved her very vocal attack on Sarkozy the other day, it really shows she's a passionate candidate who will stand up for what she believes. I saw it while I was in Quebec, and even though I didn't understand what it was about at the time (handicapped enrollment in schools), it's obvious she really does detest him and that he in fact is a slimeball. Even though she lost it during the debate, I think that passion will win her some votes, maybe enough for her to put it over the brute.
#3
Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:57 PM
#4
Posted 05 May 2007 - 08:14 PM
Im not sure if anyone else is that into french politics, but it seems they are having quite a heated presidential race right now.
Were I french, I would deffinately vote for Segolène Royal. She seems rational cool headed, and seems like she wont instigate any major riots. She also seems like she would continue with France's rejection of all that is american.
Sarkozy on the other hand, is a rightwing hardliner who will likely instigate more riots in the foreign quaters of french cities, and has even openly admitted he admires the United States and president Bush.
Being French and going to vote tomorrow, I've been following this quite a bit.
Royal is all but cool headed. She's shown a despicable behavior in the past week, directly attacking her opponent and insulting him at all means. She's so desperate to win it's turned into a "all but Sarkozy" campaign.
And many speak of a 3rd round in the streets should Sarkozy pass. I'm afraid this is going to be the truth, with many riots and demonstrations planned.
Both adopt a very friendly attitude towards the US, Sarkozy being closer to the government. Royal speaks of a great civilisation, and Sarko visited Bush back in September. I just hope whoever is elected decides to remain away from all the business that is going on there.
Sarkozy admires the US economical policy rather than the president. He dreams of an even more liberal state, not of a warrior state.
I've been following this one rather closely.
Sarkozy is an absolute nutter. He LET the riots happen a year and a half ago. The guy is absolutely insane, he's just left of Le Pen, but not by far at all.
Royal, despite the fact she's the candidate who will bring nothing new to the country, is the only possible choice for president. Maybe she'll smarten up when she's in office and institute more reforms than she already has planned.
as said above, there will be riots should Sarko pass. But I don't think you can say he let the riots happen. Being in charge of internal affairs at that time, it would have been devastating for his reputation to do so. He did trigger them whoever, the cause being a far too important cleavage between the poor and the rich suburbs.
I also loved her very vocal attack on Sarkozy the other day, it really shows she's a passionate candidate who will stand up for what she believes. I saw it while I was in Quebec, and even though I didn't understand what it was about at the time (handicapped enrollment in schools), it's obvious she really does detest him and that he in fact is a slimeball. Even though she lost it during the debate, I think that passion will win her some votes, maybe enough for her to put it over the brute.
That was particularly pathetic. Not only was she absolutely wrong, but she also lost it (and denied losing her cool minutes afterwards).
The government has not removed her handiscol (that's the name) program which she instituted 7 years ago, but merely reinforced it and renamed several things. In total, there are now twice as much handicapped children in schools than there were 5 years ago.
What's more, she tried to attack him using figures she'd learned, all of which were false ...
I really hope so....you would think after 12 years of Chirac the french wouldn't go even FURTHER to the right, but that is what the polls are showing right now.
Chirac applied a very centrist attitude when it comes to economy, which hasn't been all good (all of the taxes the State gathers are just enough to pay the interests of the debt, which will have quadrupled by 2012 if nothing is done).
And as demonstrated during the 2002 elections, the French are afraid of all the stuff happening in the poor suburbs, and vote more and more to the right.
#5
Posted 05 May 2007 - 08:25 PM
Hopefully the relationship with Britain shall improve.
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#6
Posted 05 May 2007 - 10:45 PM
Sarkozy is motivated by the power, Segolene is playing a role...
I also loved her very vocal attack on Sarkozy the other day, it really shows she's a passionate candidate who will stand up for what she believes
Well, something was criticized to Segolene, some people tought that she doesn't have the charism to be president of the state, while this debat she only wanted to show that she has character, just understand one thing; everything is calculated.
And many speak of a 3rd round in the streets should Sarkozy pass.
That's true, as true as many speak about riots in 6 months if Segolene pass, just the time to see that she can't respect her promises..
To be honest I don't know what is going to happen tomorrow night, one thing is sure, not everybody will be happy... I'm only 17 so I'm not going to vote, but if I had to do that, to be honest I don't know what I would do... maybe that i would vote for me! I really want that people show their dissatisfaction but that in a peace way, not with violents riots..
Anyway we'll be fixed tomorrow
#8
Posted 06 May 2007 - 01:46 AM
Royal doesn't have any big promises like Sarkozy has, and comes out as a weaker choice. personally i would have loved to see her get elected because she would without doubt cause less trouble than Sarkozy will, but i believe that she has no chance at the moment. 10% difference in the polls will be a self-fulfilling prophecy for any candidate when its a choice between two candidates...
personally i hoped that Bayrou guy would beat Royal because he had alot more potential at gathering the votes than royal had in the second round. being less socialistic but still not a right-wing man would have given him a much bigger chance at winning the election.
my prophecy, Sarkozy proclaims victory 10 minutes after the polls are closed, cars burn for 3-4 weeks, police starts getting alot of cash to stop this, bigger problems than burning cars ensue, the divide in France expands even more, Sarkozy gets outvoted by some other candidate next election.
ah, thats why i don't like Sarkozy, he reminds me too much of Berlusconi.
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#9
Posted 06 May 2007 - 08:44 AM
personally i hoped that Bayrou guy would beat Royal because he had alot more potential at gathering the votes than royal had in the second round. being less socialistic but still not a right-wing man would have given him a much bigger chance at winning the election.
I personally couldn't stand Bayrou even more. His program lacked any strong ideas, arguing that if we did anything, it would sink the economy even more !
I don't think anyone told him we'd sink no matter what happens if we didn't take any strong actions ...
Both candidates try to cut costs, but Royal could do so much better. During the debate, she argued that in order to protect female civil workers, we should hire males to bring them back home and avoid any aggressions !
I've just voted, and am awaiting eagerly for the results. At least I'm not going back to France for another 2 months ... By then the riots should have stopped.
#10
Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:04 AM
Quotes
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
"In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine." -Erwin Rommel
Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56
#11
Posted 06 May 2007 - 08:45 PM
#12
Posted 06 May 2007 - 10:54 PM
yeah, figured he would win, after what i heard 66% of France votes blue, so it was next to impossible for a socialist to win without some proper motto's. could have been different the last few weeks if she didn't mess up, but still i believe the thing would have gone the same way.
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#13
Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:11 PM
Quotes
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
"In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine." -Erwin Rommel
Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56
#14 Guest_Guest_*
Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:15 PM
surely if you hate the lower classes and think that rule should be done by a small elite then democratic results are more wrong than right?The better man won, geddit?
#15
Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:24 PM
surely if you hate the lower classes and think that rule should be done by a small elite then democratic results are more wrong than right?The better man won, geddit?
When I have ever said that I don't believe in democracy, its not my fault that the French hate woman and socialists in Europe tend to be crap and ruin economies.
Quotes
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
"In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine." -Erwin Rommel
Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56
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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:51 PM
#17
Posted 07 May 2007 - 12:24 AM
Socialism has not brought welfare to France when it had the power, and people have more faith in the right wing to do so. I do hope that their faith has been well placed. Time will tell.
#18
Posted 07 May 2007 - 12:35 AM
Sarkozy FTW. I'll vote for anyone who does not want a welfare state.
Funny, but I'm your oposite. I still admire the wellfare state and I think France is a great example on that.
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#19
Posted 07 May 2007 - 01:22 AM
#20
Posted 07 May 2007 - 02:09 AM
Sarkozy is likely to create even greater unemployment with his neo-liberal policies, which will largely affect the poor immigrants....the ones who are gonna riot.
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