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#1 Selek

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 05:37 PM

*lending this post to make new thread* /Naz

Hey all :thumbsupsmiley:
I decided to move the interesting debate about the possibility of new Ring Heroes in S.E.E. into a thread of it's own. So here goes, moved from Comments & Suggestions...
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Excellent work with the modification!
I have some suggestions regarding Tom Bombadil:

As you already added Galadriel to the Elves Heroes, couldn't Tom replace the Ring Hero now?
Or as the dwarves still are quite 'Hero-less', Tom could be added to them

And also, Tom has a brown beard not a white :rolleyes:


Edited by Nazgûl, 17 June 2007 - 05:36 PM.


#2 Nazgûl

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 06:36 PM

Excellent work with the modification!
I have some suggestions regarding Tom Bombadil:

As you already added Galadriel to the Elves Heroes, couldn't Tom replace the Ring Hero now?
Or as the dwarves still are quite 'Hero-less', Tom could be added to them

And also, Tom has a brown beard not a white :rolleyes:



Thanks and welcome to the forum :thumbsupsmiley:

That Tom stuff is clearly considerable... yes :dry:


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Posted 13 May 2007 - 08:17 PM

Tom Bombadil wasn't even affected by the ring. I find him very unsuitable. That was in the book of course but he didn't show up in the movies, so.... :dry:

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 09:16 PM

Yeah, he saw it and laughed. Not a good idea, him as ring hero.

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 10:04 PM

And some mods already have him as ring hero.
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Posted 13 May 2007 - 11:07 PM

He did more than laugh, he took it twirled it around and made it disappear and then re-appear. Then he gave it back to Frodo who put it on and tried to walk away, but Tom still saw him and forced him to come back and take off the ring.

Considering that he is as old as time itself, I dont know if using him is a good idea, he would be a bit overpowered.

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#7 D_bershevits

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Posted 13 May 2007 - 11:15 PM

This mod is based on the movie the most if anything, So maybe we should try to suggest movie idea's.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:30 AM

Here's my ideas for the Ring Heroes.
  • Men of the West: Isildur (Was dead but still...), Boromir (maybe?)
  • Elves: Galadriel
  • Dwarves: Tom Bombadil (Although the ring did not affect him, and he's already a summon)
  • Isengard: Saruman the Terrible (Just a made-up title xD Saruman sought the ring so there's nothing to argue about here, I guess.)
  • Goblins: Morgoth (If I'm not wrong, there was a betrayal between Sauron and Morgoth. I'm against Smaug/Balrog)
  • Mordor: Sauron
Boromir did not pick up the ring but he was a strong man, so that's another idea.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:16 AM

Why does everyone associate Bombadil with Dwarves?

Betrayal between Sauron and Morgoth? Does not compute.

I say let the good factions get the ring simply to stop the enemy getting it. Or perhaps make it so that once they get the ring, the elven-ring wielders can finally use their own rings, so get buffs? More unique than just "get the ring, build an uber hero, win the match" :dry:
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:32 AM

The betrayal happened in the Silmarillion (spelling) if I'm not wrong.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:34 AM

I don't remember such a thing. The closest thing I can think of to that is when Sauron fled Tol-in-Gaurhoth and didn't go back to Melkor, but that was for fear of Luthien and her ickle doggy :dry:
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:10 PM

The idea of giving boosts to the heroes who use the rings of power for the good factions wont work. This is because the dwarves dont have anyone who has a ring of power anymore because the 7 bearers are either dead or lost their rings or were stolen, and in any case all 7 dwarven rings end up back in the hands of Sauron before the movie even begins, the last one was from Thrain Oakenshield, king of Erebor before Smaug came, and he died in a dungeon in Dol Guldur. The elves have 2 and MOTW have 1, this is because Cilder, elven bearer of the red ring, gave his to Gandalf and the 9 human ringbearers are Nazgul.

Considering the fact that adding new ring heros is not even a seriouse priority and that it originally sprang out of replacing Sauron for a coked up Saruman for Isengard (which does make alot of sense) and the fact that there is no real solution for each faction having their own unique ring hero, and that Nazgul is going to do whatever he wants regardles, my own personal opinion is that we move on and drop the idea and just stick to Galadrial for all good factions, Sauron for Goblins and Mordor, and Saruman for Isengard. As Nazgul has already stated multiple times, he has enough food on his plate as it is and this is something thats pretty expendable and most likely isnt going anywhere anyway. But thats just what I think.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:16 PM

And the idea of Galadriel going into battle for MOTW makes about as much sense as saying the dwarves get some of their rings back, so your logic is flawed.

Don't recite book-knowledge to me, I know all about the rings, and merely suggested this as a unique way of doing things.

Also, it's Cirdan, not Cilder.

BFME2 has a license to LOTR books, nothing else, but I don't see what that has to do with anything? O_o
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:22 PM

I have noticed that everytime some one tries to explain where an idea comes from:
1) Zimoo shows up and questions it
2) Every one argues
3) Nazgul breaks it up.

To keep the movie realism, only use things from the movies, so Master of the Books (aka zimoo) doesn't have to correct. It also keeps requests down to a doable state.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 07:26 PM

This isn't true to the books though, it's merely an attempt to make the system more unique.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 08:09 PM

Ya know, I'm not specifically talking to you Zimoo, I'm just adressing your suggestiong and not everyone has read the books or remembers them and they might be interested, though I apologize for the mispelling. I'm just saying that the idea is causing more problems than its solving, as you can plainly see and yes the idea EA had doesnt work very well but its not necissary to change and no-one has any viable solution that makes sense because some factions dont have any alternative to the one already in-game, book or otherwise, that was my point.

Furthermore, I wasn't bringing up book knowledge just to impress people. My point there was that there isnt any gameplay balance in your suggestion, the number of heroes empowered by the Elves 2, MoTW 1, Dwarves 0. See thats not balanced and thus unfair.

Even furthermore, I said it was my own personal opinion to move on, you guys are free to continue posting whatever you want regardless of what I think. And yes, its a cool idea but it doesnt work for every faction. The closest thing to "workable" is what Nazgul already came up with in the "Additional To Do List" section (except for using the king of the dead for the dwarves), which is why I was saying that he was going to do whatever he wanted regardless.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 09:28 PM

If we stick to the movies, then we'd best leave the ring heroes as they are, because Peter Jackson created a strong friendship between Sauron and Saruman, which would most unlikely happen in the book. Movie-wise, I think Saruman would have picked the ring if he had the chance to, but if he knew the ring was heading to Mordor, I think he would do nothing to stop it. In the movies, Saruman wished to bring a new order to Middle-Earth, or become the new order himself.

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 10:10 PM

Please stay on topic.................Topic maybe add some unique heroes that the book only mentions once or twice.
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Posted 14 May 2007 - 11:28 PM

That would cause more book discussion....

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 03:33 AM

:w00t: U guys are funny, hehe, I've been gone for a day and you're all like an arguing family at the dinner table... :)

Considering the fact that adding new ring heros is not even a seriouse priority and that it originally sprang out of replacing Sauron for a coked up Saruman for Isengard (which does make alot of sense) and the fact that there is no real solution for each faction having their own unique ring hero, and that Nazgul is going to do whatever he wants regardles, my own personal opinion is that we move on and drop the idea and just stick to Galadrial for all good factions, Sauron for Goblins and Mordor, and Saruman for Isengard. As Nazgul has already stated multiple times, he has enough food on his plate as it is and this is something thats pretty expendable and most likely isnt going anywhere anyway. But thats just what I think.


Word! ;)

Allthough, I think this debate is interesting so I made this new thread for it :p

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