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#1 OmegaBolt

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 02:43 PM

I really hate hero balancing. Usually Tanya comes out underneath too and as much as that sounds nice it means she isn't as good as the others, which isn't fair.

You can say Other in your post but you MUST post what "other" you want.

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#2 ZeroSamuraiX

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 04:30 AM

everyone here knows i will vote hero =]
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#3 Gosho

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 01:14 PM

Hero. Allies get Tanya, Soviets get Boris, Yuri gets...

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:21 PM

no one gets a hero The end.
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#5 Verrückt

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Posted 25 May 2007 - 05:46 PM

Fux Volkov, lol.
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#6 Jeeves

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 02:30 AM

You missed "Jeeves is the only hero for me!" so I have to go with "Other" :sleep:
Hate hero balancing? Simple solution; don't make them obsenely powerful! Heroes are just extra-tough versions of other infantry, with some anti-building power knocked on (or AT, in the case of Tanya). Putting all your eggs in one basket is always going to cause inbalance, so I suggest don't do it.
Replace "heroes" with "commanders" - a one-at-a-time type of unit that, instead of kicking ass itself, enhances in some way the abilities of others.
You still get your limitted-edition uniquely flavored infantryman, but this way its more interesting to play, and less inbalanced.

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#7 Black Rose

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:04 PM

i'll stick w/ 1 hero for each just give tanya a diff. gun that's all i say
prefered-equal range to boris
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#8 ZeroSamuraiX

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:55 AM

u cant make tanya's gun diff and make her range equal to boris... that would be giving both sides a hero with the same capabilities... takes away the motif of the allies if you give tanya a strong gun...
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#9 Black Rose

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 06:08 AM

then make it slightly shorter than boris's by 3 maybe :p
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Posted 23 June 2007 - 11:52 AM

a one-at-a-time type of unit that, instead of kicking ass itself, enhances in some way the abilities of others.
You still get your limitted-edition uniquely flavored infantryman, but this way its more interesting to play, and less inbalanced.


The problem is of course that there are very few friendly weapons in the game:
  • Heal
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  • Overcharge
What we really need is aweapon that increaes the value of tags like ROF, damage, strength and speed temporary.
VK already has this as an SW in 1.10, so maybe we could trick him into adding it as a weapons tag in SwizzlePatch 1. I'm thinking about tags like IsPropaganda=bool, PropagandaType=ROF,Speed,etc., and PropagandaPower=decimal.
Of course, this would make many mods implement such a unit, and we would see a lot of Russian Commisares and Allied officers, not to talk about Russian propaganda towers.
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Well, heroes are suposed to be special, espeically if you look at the C&C games:
Commando/Tanya: Only unit with C4 and one shot kills
Hijacker: Only hijacker in game
Cyborg Commando: Only Nod unit with an all around weapon
Ghost Stalker: Only infantry with railgun, only unit with C4
MMkII: Only vehicle with railguns
Boris: Only long range all rounder +Airstrike
Col. Burton: Only allrounder American unit, only unit with C4
Jarmen Kell: Only GLA sniper, driver snipe.
Black Lotus: Only China money drainer, only long range building capture

The point about the heroes is not to take a unit ang improve it (That is the task of Stolen Tech) the task of heroes is to be a really powerful exclusive unit. There are no Cyborg Commando-esque units in YR, so a Cyborg Commando unit can be a hero (Volkov)
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#11 Gosho

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 12:45 PM

Black Lotus isn't China's only money Drainer :p

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 10:55 PM

lotus only one to steal from supply centres though and disable vehicles (ignoring super hack abilities) and normal hacker drains money from internet.

heroes r fun ;) hell i revived a MO hero :)
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