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[Vince]

you flatter me thx

[Pendaelose]

While Idealism is fantastic, and we should always have long term goals, Idealism offers no solutions for imediate problems... and in any region already consumed by violence established authorities such as the UN are powerless unless thier authority is backed by force.

Even an idealistic global authority would need a miltary to enforce it descicions when challenged.

[Vince]

offcourse, with idealism only you get nowere but without it you wouldn't get far either

[Pendaelose]

I'm not defacing the value of idealism. I'm a huge supporter of globalized governement. I think we should definatly do all we can to move in that direction. But I also demand imediate, real solutions to problems. Planning for a peacful solution 50 years from now does nothing to curb violence today, and once it has come to violence words alone will do nothing to disuade it.

Edited by Pendaelose, 20 July 2007 - 07:18 PM.

[Phoenix911]

The problem is pend is that u also get peaple who are just greedy, The EU you may see as good but its not for the english.
We are slowly losing all are rights and such to some guys in belgum or whoever makes the dissions and another problem is any person from a country in the EU can then go to another EU country to work.
This may sound good for some but its bad as everyone comes to england and then takes are jobs, WE have a high unemplyment rate over here because of Immigration is shit and because workers come over and take are jobs.

The other bad factor is peaple come here work and then send there cash back home to there familys witch is taking away from our econamy.
Also we are told what we can and can't do now, For example alot of goods was imported from china but the EU then said NO u have to import from EU countrys where available all because they want money but the problem is its more expensive to import the goods from the EU so again there fucking with us.

The only peaple that know how to run england is the damn english, For years we had to supported are selfs we defended are selfs in WW2 alone during battle of briton.
And the thing is we are still a diff country and so the peaple making the calls will automaticlly wanna try and make there country get benifits i am pretty sure all countrys are like this.

I not wanting to insult the french in this post (as much as i love to lol) But every year all countrys get a rebate for there contribusions and such we make, now the english put like almost 60% more into the EU than teh french give or take but we do not get back as much, late year or the year before england was getting a good amount back but the french complained and started bitching sayings it not fair so you tell me whats up with that?

Basicly the EU is fucked up and if i was the PM i would leave it, And another reason i would is ther ehas been a number of polls over the years asking peaple if they wanna be part of the EU and more peaple say "no" than yes.
Its about time the goverment starts listening to its peaple.

[Death_Pheonix]

The other bad factor is peaple come here work and then send there cash back home to there familys witch is taking away from our economy.

heaven forbid, one of the richest nations in the world leaks money, and gets injected into a poorer one

Edited by Death_Pheonix, 21 July 2007 - 12:41 AM.

[Pendaelose]

The other bad factor is peaple come here work and then send there cash back home to there familys witch is taking away from our economy.

heaven forbid, one of the richest nations in the world leaks money, and gets injected into a poorer one

theres a fine line in how much "leaking" most nations can sustain. in the US we have over 12 million ILLEGAL aliens. they don't pay taxes and most collect welfare. Thats a leak we need to stop.

As for the EU and England, thats just proof that the system needs review, not that the system is bad. The idea of sharing economies is good, but provisions need to be made to protect the intrests of member states. The US has similare issues between states, though our problems are actualy more often reversed. People from the highest cost of living areas (NorthEast, and West Coast) move to lower cost areas such as the south east and dispite having no aditional skills or value to the comunity, they can live like kings simply by riding off the shift in cost of living. They destroy the areas thy move into by inflating the costs to where the people who lived there before have to leave simply because they can't afored it any more.

The only way it can work out well is for land owners in such an area, but everyone who couldn't afford to own land, or couldn't afford to last it out, is forced to sell and leave. If you can survive the jump in costs it can work... your property goes from 70K up to 180K in just a few years. You can sell your home for 3x what you baught it for, then move away to find a new area that you can afford to live in.

btw, thats happening to my home in NC right now, thats why its gone from 70K up to 125K. I'm holding out a few more years to sell it for 200K if possible, but we might be baught out by a houseing project before then... we'll just be stuck with the value they offer us or they'll get the county to issue imenent domain on us. still, even at those values it should be a pretty profit.

[Death_Pheonix]

6 years ago we bought our house for 150k now its worth 300k, in 10 years it should be worth over a million. the property boom in Australia in crazy, as our suburbs expand outwards, the property grows in value, as it is closer to the city (Brisbane)

[Pendaelose]

6 years ago we bought our house for 150k now its worth 300k, in 10 years it should be worth over a million. the property boom in Australia in crazy, as our suburbs expand outwards, the property grows in value, as it is closer to the city (Brisbane)

theres a limit to how high the property values can climb. If the homes become so expensive that no one can afford to buy them suddenly you'll have a stagnant market. this happened in Flordia recently. So many people were moving in (from the west coast and north east) that the prices sky rocketed. they doubled in 1 year! There was simply so many people trying to buy that it became a seller's market and the prices seemed un-capped. to make it even worse, because the values were climbing so fast many people began buying them only to sell them. The prices contenued to climb, they go too high and the normal people couldn't aford to live in them.... but the investers contenued to buy and sell to each other. So the prices contenued to climb even farther... until they realized no one was buying the houses to live in... all the sudden investors got scared and stopped buying, but he homes were still on the market for 3-4X what they were really worth... no one would buy them. All at once there was a complete blow out and prices plumetted and the market stagnated.

I was lucky, the house I baught in Orlando I baught for 135K and one year later sold for 180K. only 1 month later the realistate bubble poped and the market crumbled.

[Vince]

The problem is pend is that u also get peaple who are just greedy, The EU you may see as good but its not for the english.
We are slowly losing all are rights and such to some guys in belgum or whoever makes the dissions and another problem is any person from a country in the EU can then go to another EU country to work.
This may sound good for some but its bad as everyone comes to england and then takes are jobs, WE have a high unemplyment rate over here because of Immigration is shit and because workers come over and take are jobs.

The other bad factor is peaple come here work and then send there cash back home to there familys witch is taking away from our econamy.
Also we are told what we can and can't do now, For example alot of goods was imported from china but the EU then said NO u have to import from EU countrys where available all because they want money but the problem is its more expensive to import the goods from the EU so again there fucking with us.

The only peaple that know how to run england is the damn english, For years we had to supported are selfs we defended are selfs in WW2 alone during battle of briton.
And the thing is we are still a diff country and so the peaple making the calls will automaticlly wanna try and make there country get benifits i am pretty sure all countrys are like this.

I not wanting to insult the french in this post (as much as i love to lol) But every year all countrys get a rebate for there contribusions and such we make, now the english put like almost 60% more into the EU than teh french give or take but we do not get back as much, late year or the year before england was getting a good amount back but the french complained and started bitching sayings it not fair so you tell me whats up with that?

Basicly the EU is fucked up and if i was the PM i would leave it, And another reason i would is ther ehas been a number of polls over the years asking peaple if they wanna be part of the EU and more peaple say "no" than yes.
Its about time the goverment starts listening to its peaple.

I absolutely dissagrea, OK there is a central gouvernement and for the moment it is or somewere in germany or over here in Brussels but at the moment we Belgians got as good as nothing to say, I hope you know that exept for I think France, Germany and the UK every country is in the highest group for a few years, France, Germany and the UK are in there all the time, we had the boss of europe a few years ago now it's germany who is the boss I think.

Your complaint about the jobs (makes me remind southpark: 'they took our jobs','they took your jobs') no serious now: it's true but we have a much bigger problem, all the people fleeing away from their country end here in Belgium when their attempt to cross the chanal fails, and that's about 90%. Your economy is older so the problem might be bigger over there, I'm not taking a side in that discussion, I don't know anything about it.

You only have mentioned the bad part of the exclusion of a lot of chinese products, there is also a good side (who is bigger): If whe hadn't stopped it all (yes all) the textile factorys over here (Belgium among others, maybe also for other countrys with other products than cotton and other textilles) would have gone bankcrupt (that's right?) and alot of the other factorys would have moved over there, now they know if they move over there they might once be excluded for import back in Europe.

You English guys sure did a great job back in WWII, I'm not minimizing it but you wern't suprized by the blitz like we were simply overrun (and we had sufferd way more of WWI and were still recovering when they did attack again), the French did a very bad job (WWII, later on even joining the Germans )the people from Poaland were also over run,... and every one knows that the Germans biggest force was on land, thanks to your navy and airforce you stood firm. (I don't know what was happend if the germans realy did the D-day like attack on England like they had planned), In WWI we saved your ass (your armys ass your country was never in danger I know) in WWII you saved ours (and the Americans back then saved both our ass at least once (your by bringing goods, our by taking back Belgium (WWII in WWI we never lost whole Belgian and that's good because we were the only army left on the teretory of Belgium, during the war we had no help either! (defending, offending we did got help) but we did help you when we were in bigg trouble (we lost alot of soldiers who could have been used another place to help your BEF escape to recover (Dunkirk)), we couldn't help you in WWII because we were allready overrun, and we didn't got any help then either (that makes 2 times ) not that you realy had a chance, the Germans were way to quick and you would have been overrun to if you came whit a land army. But about the battle of Britain you may be bloody proud! that was the first big defeat for the German airforce and they would never recover! Great job!

Your friend polecy thing is damm right, that will alway remain one of the biggest disadventages, but they try to block it by take another leader every year (also you guys) you (together whit france and germany) even have an adventage for always being in the top of the EU while others have to wait for their turn, and don't worry I don't wonna be dependent of the EU neither we will always keep our gouvernement but their is gone be one extra on top of it (bit like the US a gouvernement for every state + one central)

I'm not going to say anything about the finances, I know whe pay a slight bigger part then we must about the rest I'm gone shut up wisely

The only poll sofar who has been 'lost' by the EU is about the constitution, maybe there were polls in the UK against the EU who were lost by the EU bot none over whole Europe, sure the EU needs to be improved, ALOT, it isn't as bad as you say (probably nor as good as I say )

England has always been the biggest oponent of the EU who was extualy member (a lot of veto's, no euro's,...) , I understand, they have never been bossed around and they don't want it either, you all are a very *now should come a difficult word wich I always forget even in dutch but it wonna say you are verry proud of beeing who you are and for your history* we Belgians arn't we are the lest *the same word* of Europe, thats because we were always bossed around, if you ask us are you Belgians we gonna say 'Yes' If we ask you are you from the UK you gonna say 'Hell yeah and I'm bloody proud of it', that is (scientificly proven) a big reason why you don't realy like the EU and feel like it's a disadventage

Edited by Vince, 21 July 2007 - 04:55 PM.

[Death_Pheonix]

theres a limit to how high the property values can climb. If the homes become so expensive that no one can afford to buy them suddenly you'll have a stagnant market.

true, but remember an average/upper family (100k-200k combined income) can buy a house that costs a million dollars, but they will have a long mortgage.

[Pendaelose]

theres a limit to how high the property values can climb. If the homes become so expensive that no one can afford to buy them suddenly you'll have a stagnant market.

true, but remember an average/upper family (100k-200k combined income) can buy a house that costs a million dollars, but they will have a long mortgage.

ummm... maybe where you live.... but here there NOTHING average about a 100-200K income, even combined income! 100K is very very "upper" in most states in the US. Most doctors and lawyers int he US don't make 100K. A combined income of 200K is usualy considered rich.... unless you live in certain areas... then its only "upper".

With a 4 year degree you can expect to make 35K average starting, but definatly not more than 50K... but less than 10% even get a 4 year degree. I make a little more than that, without a degree, but only beause I'm very good at what I do and because I know how to sell my military experience. For 90% of people without a 4 year degree thats impossible.

most families in the US make about 50K combined income. a 200K home is on the very edge of afordable. The payments will be painfuly high and the mortgae will be a 30 year variable rate that they most likely will never be able to pay off because of climbing rates.

[Phoenix911]

Deaths thats crazy, if i had a combined income with my partner of 200k i would not go buy a damn 1 mill house pure retarded.
U could get a nice house cheeper and then after a few years the house price will clime and u could sell for more.

[PeeWee]

ehm... is Derelict Studios dead?

I sure hope not, but look at their page here

[Capt.Drake]

It isdead cause the Act of War page isn't working anymore and generates an SQL error

[PeeWee]

so the title of the page is a bad joke?