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#441 mike_

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 01:39 PM

What does Faramir have to do with this? Besides, in the books it was a single Haradrim arrow that had him pinned to the ground on the Pelennor - he was only saved because Imrahil recognized him among the bodies.
And the term "Ranger" was both used as a slang term by the Folk of Bree against the Dunedain of the North, and for describing Denethor's forayers in Ithilien (who were all hardy woodsmen descended from the folk of Ithilien in earlier times).

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 04:48 PM

I cant beleive that you guys are saying the Heir to the King of Gondor is bested by a captain of Gondor. Aragorn is decended by Kings hes supposed to be the best the strongest Warrior of all men.
Aragorn had a bow, but he would have used a sword more,HE WAS ALSO TRAINED BY THE ELVES AND DUNEDAIN THE GREATEST SWORD MASTERS IN MIDDLE-EARTH


Just because he was an heir to the throne of Gondor, doesn't mean that he's invincible. I know that you didn't say that but it seems like you implied it (correct me if I'm wrong). And just because he was trained by Elves and the Dunedain doesn't mean that he's the best swordsman in Middle-Earth. There are other factors to battling and fighting than where you trained. With the whole "Faramir should have more health" thing, I disagree. Boromir was slaughtered by many arrows, whereas Faramir was only hit with 2 or 3.

And with that, I'm leaving this stupid discussion (that I took part in as well, shamefully). It seems more like we prefer to argue about lore than anything else where we should be talking about the game. Aragorn is already a better swordsman than Boromir and Faramir in the game. Correct me if I'm wrong but Faramir is already worse than Boromir (except range) stat-wise. Power-wise, I would rather have Faramir because all Boromir can do is provide a pretty bad leadership, blow his horn, and give other soldiers more experience. At the moment, I don't think that Boromir is really worth his cost, to be honest. I think that, as of the latest public release, Boromir is just a really powerful soldier unit that may have a power set that doesn't do his character complete justice.

So my suggestion is that the team should consider looking over and edit Boromir when they have their focus on Gondor. Which may not happen until the public release after the next one....
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 05:12 PM

for example:

just becouse my father was an elite soldier, best of best, it doesnt neceserry mean i must be too . . . . not at all

if i wanted i could become a fisherman, and nothihng would change the fact that he was elite soldier.
(this is pure fiction, my father aint soldier, and i dont want to become a fisherman :p )

soo basically boromir could be better than aragorn, and yet he didnt have to be. The only reall thing that matters that both of these dudes were great wariors who sliced more orcs than you could count on all your fingers.
i dont really think that this topic ( Gondor ) is good for discussion of the " if " and " maybe " tipe.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 07:25 PM

Wait, was it a single arrow? I thought I remembered something about 2 arrows. Probably something about the gaywad movie distortions. Also, he survived but Boromir didn't. The arrow(s) were poisoned, meaning that they would kill you most likely.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 08:06 PM

He only survived a single arrow. Boromir had a volley fired at him, alone. The sickness that afflicted Faramir afterwords was caused by the Black Breath of the Nazgul.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 08:19 PM

The arrow was poisoned. Why poison an arrow if you didn't intend on killing a foe? And I know about the volley thing. I know how Boromir died, as Lurtz never existed and I read some of the stuff that I had forgotten in Wikipedia. And I did it before you even posted your reply to my thing... But the point is that Boromir was still a better fighter, he just had less willpower and so.. yeah... my point. Don't challenge me to this unless you want a hugeass arguement (please pardon the language) that I WILL win. But I don't think anyone will because Rob will do what he wants and few of us hold any influence over him. The only time he may take suggestions, I'm guessing, is if it is really something worth listening to.

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 16 June 2008 - 08:22 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 09:34 PM

Actually, it's left unsaid as to whether or not the Southron arrow was indeed poisoned.
And I'll gladly hold an argument, o conceited one.

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Posted 16 June 2008 - 09:54 PM

Conceited? Ok, I'll give you that TO A DEGREE, but it said that it was poisoned IN THE BOOK.
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Posted 16 June 2008 - 09:57 PM

No...Imrahil guessed that it was poisoned. He didn't say "they rubbed some venom on it and shot him".

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 04:13 PM

well, if someone with enough of experience says " i guess " it normally meant - " it is ".
at least it sounds soo, after all he had enough of exp, to get the right idea at the moment he saw whats going on . . .or not ?
"Let this scar signify the first blow against the mortal world."
"From this seal shall arise the doom of men,"
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"Let the echoes of doom resound across this wretched world, that all who live may hear them and despair."


"Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world!"

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 04:59 PM

No...if he knew it was poisoned he would've said so. If it's a guess, it doesn't matter who says it, regardless of how long they've been doing something.

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 09:11 PM

This arguement is pointless... anyways, something everyone can agree with, Boromir needs more powers (like a last stand power where he stays alive after he's died, passive at level 7).
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 09:16 PM

I like your calmness, Mike. I really do. :crazed:

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Posted 17 June 2008 - 09:52 PM

This arguement is pointless... anyways, something everyone can agree with, Boromir needs more powers (like a last stand power where he stays alive after he's died, passive at level 7).


I would almost give him a Sheild Bash or a Knife Throw (as seen in the movies...) power too.. But that could over-power him.
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 10:11 PM

Knife throw was Aragorn, not Boromir. Shield bash, maybe, but he does need more powers and with them, a higher cost. I'm thinking around 2k with 2 more powers (not 2k extra, 2k to get him).
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 11:01 PM

Funny that that should be mentioned, as I just watched FotR and Boromir does kill a Uruk with a throw knife soon after he comes to save Merry and Pippin. The books however, IIRC, dont mention either ever using a knife throw technique, so its really up to rob whether to use such a power. Not that everything isn't regardless :crazed:
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 11:52 PM

Well, Boromir roughly translates as "of mixed form" so that may be an arguement for it.
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Posted 17 June 2008 - 11:56 PM

Boromir's shield would probably be pretty good for bashing...if he could swing it fast enough. That thing's enough to stop a Mumakil.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 12:10 AM

Don't push it that far, lol :crazed: .
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 02:56 AM

@Matias: It's an uphill battle mate :crazed:
Also..I agree that Boromir should have more powers. He's the type of hero that should be good throughout the game - have several useful early-game abilities, a very powerful mid-game, and a very leadership-based late-game.
The "knife throw" was Boromir, not Aragorn. In fact, the only time Aragorn's "Elvish hunting knife" (movie-only, by the way) is thrown is back at him by Lurtz.




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