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[Wanderer∞]

Just something as a possibility but perhaps summon Grond could be used?
Gate Breaker: Summons 2 attack trolls and Grond

[shadowcreature]

Possibly. Or perhaps a summon Olog-hai power, summoning maybe 2 mountain and attack trolls or something along those lines.

[Uruk King]

What's the point of summoning something you can produce in excess?

The Summon Grond power sounds like a good idea, mabye with a couple of attack trolls to guard it.

[Wanderer∞]

And if anything make some of those trolls wield hammers instead of clubs so its more of a siege power than siege and attack.

[Canadyan]

Summon Grond? That sounds awesome. I always forget that Grond is already in the game, just never put to use.

[Scryer]

Summoning Grond is a cool concept and all, but where would you need him ? The only kind of skirmish maps that I see Grond getting used is in "Castle" maps like Minas Tirith. In normal maps and in RJ maps, you really don't need Grond to pull off a successful siege.

Then again. it's not like you're going out of your way to create Grond. Or spending resources to have him.

Can you guys tell that I'm on the fence for this suggestion?

Edited by Scryer, 01 April 2009 - 11:42 PM.

[Uruk King]

You can use Grond to batter an enemy fortress to bits, as well as any other structure in it's path

[Scryer]

Yeah, but you can do that effectively with catapults and rams as well.

[{IRS}Athos]

But Grond is uber-cool-looking...

[Wanderer∞]

What about the troll concept? Any thoughts on that?

[shadowcreature]

After reading Uruks post, I'm rather neutral on troll summoning. Maybe a power summoning some kind of Black Uruk?

[Anri1]

Let Grond be a ful-time weapon(I personaly don"t forget about it:) )

[Canadyan]

It's a bit of a stretch but maybe have Grond essentially act like a giant moving unit-squisher. Think Mumakil but much more resilient. Give it extreme defenses, with a few weaknesses and maybe some kind of defensive mechanism - burning oil against melee units on its sides or something of the sort. Also give it a charge ability, making the trolls push it harder. Basically, make it something that will force the enemy to scramble units and powers to stop it. I'm always a yes on incorporating units that scare the hell out of you when you see them coming.

[Scryer]

That would be overpowering Grond too much.

Edit: It's not the fact that I think that having Grond included somewhere is a bad idea; it's that I believe that having him as a 15pp ring power is limiting. You honestly can't do much with him unless you're in a stale-mate in a huge siege battle. Or if you're sieging a castle map like Minas Tirith.

Personally, I think that Grond should be restricted to the campaign and to castle maps.

I would rather see a 15pp power that replaces the wyrm, but it isn't so limiting.

Edited by Scryer, 02 April 2009 - 09:29 PM.

[Dalf32]

agreed with scryer, it would either be op or useless on non-castle maps (which do not make up the majority of maps).

[Anri1]

Men. Grond is a siege weapon. Why must it be removed from full-time weapons/units? Then you could remove all other siege weapons as siege ledders, towers. This are also useless in non-castle maps I used Grond even in online plays aganst main building of gondor. Its a very useful thing. A few strikes with Grond are needed to destroy any castle.

I disagree with arguments against letting Grond stay as a full-time weapon.

Edited by Anri1, 03 April 2009 - 07:48 AM.

[Devon]

Siege ladders and towers are only available on castle maps anyway


The problem with grond is that to make it realistic, it would be super op. It would probably be one of the strongest units on the battle, aside from the witch king and gandalf. And that sucks for gameplay.

[shadowcreature]

Agreed, iirc it has an insane amount of HP and can wipe out a building in one hit. As fun as it may sound to fight with and against it, I agree with Yoda that it would be a gameplay interferer.

[Wanderer∞]

So to solve that give it a huge cost amount (20000?) and very long build time (like that of a ring hero).
And lets face it... If you have enough resources to spend a very large sum of coin at once (i.e up) without suffering consequenses, then you've probably already got the game in a bag and could at least have some fun with victory

[Dalf32]

or, we could solve it by not putting it in at all