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#41 Crusader

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 01:32 AM

I WANNA SEE THE NEW SUPER ATTACK LOL

Damn I love this show, since it jsut about snapped out of the current depressing arc, again.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:56 AM

Ah crusader...yeah i tot Ps armor just blocked physical attacks. But i checked and actually my previous knowledge was all wrong. It doesnt block physical attacks, it blocks attacks of a certain energy level. Since genesis is one huge nuke generator, it has enough power to block beams with ps armor because when its not firing, all the energy is put into the armor. Thats why when they were trying to attack it, i remember them referencing its ps armor.

Also, i have a feeling that anti-beam coating and ps armor is incompatible. Doesnt make sense rite? No mobile suit has laminated or anti-beam coacting with PS armor for some reason. Maybe the ps armor kinda repels the coating off, thats why it isnt painted either.

As for giving genesis antibeam coating if everyone has beam weapons...no. That would make more sense in destiny, but eaf had only employed beam weaponry recently, and they were still using mobiuses. Again, if everyone has beam weapons in destiny, why isit gundams still use ps armor? No laminated armor?

Luke...ive got no idea why you brought up CCA...especially when no-one ever said nu gundam was indestructable...
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 10:19 AM

plus the Nu-Gundam doesn't have phase shift as it's in a completely different universe.

and no, there's nothing ever confirming it being destroyed or Amuro/Char dieing.


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Posted 27 August 2007 - 02:42 PM

really? stupid wiki >.< and i meant the old skool gundam not nu gundam. old gundam got blown the hell up head missing arm missing then it got shot and blown up by the zeong

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 02:13 AM

well Amuro was alive after that though, I dont think he was actually in it when it happened, though, that's as much as I can get out of the game lol


Oh and Also what about the EAF's 3 Gundams? they all had paint, along with PS armor, but I think it was called Trans Phase Armor. not sure why it was never used again since it used less energy than the standard PS and worked pretty well too. MS Shields can somehow stand up to physical and beam attacks, since they have lamination, but what makes it defend against live ammo/physical though?

PS is made for Live ammo, more energy might be useful for beams too but would cost alot of energy as well as money to make in the first place. PS Gundams were made without lamination because at first only they had beam weapons in the first place, and they have shields that does. it is also assumed that only ace pilots will be given the Gundams so they probably expected them to make good use of the shields, PS armor is to repel those pesky troops who might outnumber the Gundam pilot by alot. good point on lamination not being applicable on PS Armor, but I do have a very good counterargument. Buster Dagger, it has both PS and Lamination, which makes for a very annoying enemy.

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:09 AM

the problem with Trans Phase is that it can get overloaded.

while it does save energy, since it only activates when something hits it, it can get overloaded and either shut off completley and let everything get through or will explode.


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Posted 28 August 2007 - 04:12 AM

well I guess that's why Zaft developed the newer version of PS, in Destiny. Go Variable Phase Shift lol
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Posted 31 August 2007 - 03:37 PM

Varible phase shift, meh. All it does is change the strength of the armor for different battle situations. At least in impulse's case. I dont see that as particularly useful, i assume it just means a high energy usage configuration such as blast will have a weaker ps shield. In the case of say, strike rouge, it lets kira use a lower energy consumption than wat cag used, cuse he wont get hit much anyway, and it also changed the colour to his old blues.

If you ask me, the most viable solution would be a combination of varible and trans style ps armor. Ps armor would run at a minimum level until it is hit, where it will immidiately raise its energy level accordingly. This way, the suit is still protected, but only uses large amounts of energy for the ps armor when its actually hit.
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 02:51 AM

Actually I think even PS armor does that already, it only consumes power when it's hit, but the difference is that it always activated using the maximum power level, variable can decide how much power is needed and redirects it to the area accordingly.
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Posted 01 September 2007 - 10:27 AM

37 hits with missiles will take down the phase shift armor according to watfield.


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Posted 02 September 2007 - 04:44 AM

That was in order to drain the battery of strike though. Newer suits in destiny ether have better batteries of more efficent PS armor.

FTR Why Gundams dont use Laminate armor insted of PS in Destiny is beyond me. As almost all firearms are now beam weapons for wich PS armor is usless. You wouldnt go to the arctic with sun screen and a bathing suit would you?

Just retarded.

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 05:35 AM

so true.

plus PS is such a waste of energy and doesn't protect from shit.


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Posted 02 September 2007 - 06:08 AM

well I guess once again PS is for long range artillary barrages and stuff, like missiles and cannon shots that targets an entire area, when it somes to beam weapons pilots are supposed to dodge or something? at least ACE polits lol.


Wait I think I might know, lamination spreads the beam energy over a large area and changes it into heat, but a MS doesne have that much surface area anyways so it wont work out too well, that and the fact that the extreme heat will probably fry the pilots anyways.

just trying to make sense of this situation, does anyone else think this makes sense? seriously this is the most sense I can make of this situation lol
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:46 AM

Well, i think the problem is surface area. Go back to one of the first eps of seed, when blitz was spamming shots at close range at AA. It was a beam rifle of ordinary strength rite? So, notice that the visible heat damage was spread over a large area as compared to blitz. True, he was shooting at close range, but beam weapons seem to have a pretty constant output power at range, like a laser.

So if a mobile suit has laminated armor, it probably couldnt stop a beam shot @_@. Since laminated armor needs to be connected, a shot to the chest would only spread the heat over the chest area, which would not be able to contain a standard beam shot.

Laminated mobile suits are probably meant to reduce dmg taken from grazing shots, but a direct hit will kill it almost as surely as any other mobile suit. Im not sure if the dagger L's or the windams have it, but the 105 dagger definitely has it. I dont see any reports of it having drastic increased survivability as compared to other mobile suits, so i think i should be close to the truth. Makes sense to you guys?

About the PS armor, i tot about that too. Ive come up with a theory as to how they work which also explains why transphase armor was dropped. So, in the original 5 gundams, take it that they have a constant current running thriugh the PS armor. This already drains alot of power since the current is high and there's bound to be leakage somewhere, just like a normal circuit. Now, when something hits it, by some unknown physical theory the energy in the PS armor is used up dissipating that extra energy and directing it elsewhere, kind of like mordern reactive armor, only it employs energy instead of explosive plates. This drains that particular area of its current, but due to the nature of electricity, the current is restored almost immediately, but at a cost to the power remaining in the battery. That explains the 37 missle limit. It also explains why transphase armor fell out of favour. Since the current can only increase so fast, the time between the armor being hit and the probable max current is high when compared to a projectile hitting the armor a penetrating. So in the case of single shot high velocity projectiles, transphase armor offers little or no protection.

Err...i guess you can explain why genesis's PS armor can deflect beams from this too. Its not just the massive amt of power that can be derived from the nuclear reactor/s when its not firing. Since its a stationary object, they can pack multiple layers of conductive metal together, or whatever they use for PS armor. Mass is not a factor since its stationary. So these extra plates would be able to handle a much higher current than you would find in MS, up till it is actually able to dissipate the high energy levels of beams. Later justice adds abit more evidence to this by easily blasting a access corridor open to get inside. That access was proably protected by a weak PS shield that can only stop physical attacks, or no PS at all, cuse you cant make a access door out of multilayers of PS armor, thats not practical in terms of energy to open since it would mass so much.

Haha, long post...sorry guys if it takes too long to read. Ive been away for some time anyway :p
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 02:58 PM

pfft, you're wrong.

the OBVIOUS reason they dropped Transphase armor is cause it would just overload when Kurt Angle would put the mobile suits in his almighty ankle lock.


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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:13 PM

lol Nice, well im in college now and probably wont be able to post as much, just found the computer lab and stuff, gotta wait till 9/24 for my free laptop, then im back in the game.

in the meanwhile I'll post on weekends since sometimes I might be home with my computer and stuff,
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 11:45 PM

i'm back in Wreslting mood.

They need to bring Christian back, he was the ONLY guy who could pull off using a Waterproof Blonde song as his theme.

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