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#1 Devon

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:21 PM

As you might have noticed, rob has decided to give certain heros bonuses vs other heros. He asked me to make this topic for everyone's suggestions on which heros should get bonuses vs others. Ill compile a list in this post. So far I have:

Isengard
Lurtz>Boromir
Saruman>Gandalf the Grey
Grima>Theoden
Grima>Saruman
Sharku>Hama?
Sharku>Aragorn
Ugluk>Merry & Pippin?

Mordor
WK>Theoden
WK>Frodo
Burzalog>Aragorn
Gothmog>Eowyn???

Goblins
Shelob>Frodo

Angmar
???

Evil Men
???

Gondor
Aragorn>Lurtz
Aragorn>MoS
Gandalf the White>Saruman
Gandalf the White>Balrog
Boromir>Frodo?
Pippin>Burzalog?

Rohan
Theoden>Black Serpent
Eomer>Grima
Eomer>Mumak Chieftan
Eomer>Ugluk
Eowyn>WK
Merry>WK

Elves
Glorfindel>Nazgul
Sam>Shelob (sam's in elves right?)
Sam?Gollum
Legolas>Fellbeasts

Dwarves
Gloin>Azog?
Dain>Azog?
Thorin>Azog?
Gimli>Gothmog?

Arnor
???




Hehe, i dont really remember the movies/books great, so a lot are blank. plz post suggestions!

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:31 PM

Legolas should be stronger versus Ringwraiths (not the WK) seeing as how in the books he took one down in a single shot. Sam should be greater than Shelob, whereas Frodo should be weaker to Shelob. WK (Mordor) should be stronger than Frodo.

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:34 PM

Gloin, Dain, Thorin should all have a bonus against Azog becaue of their overwhelming hatred towards him

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 07:38 PM

only thing is, azog was dead in wotr :p i added them tho. sam is with elves right?

Edited by YodaWarrior, 12 August 2007 - 07:56 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 08:17 PM

if i remember correctly, sharku wuld b the guy who's warg tossed aragorn off the cliff in the movies, so mayb giv sharku a bonus against aragorn?

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 08:21 PM

@ Yoda: Yeah, Sam's with the Elves. By the Way, should Aragorn be strong against Gothmog?

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 08:29 PM

Gimli > Gothmog (he killed him after all, well after Aragorn chopped his arm of)...
Gothmog > Éowyn
Éomer > Úgluk (in the books Éomer killed him)
Úgluk > Grishnakh (if he's gonna be in)
Gríshnakh > Merry&Pippin
Wormtongue > Saruman (for Isen mirror matches)
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Posted 12 August 2007 - 09:41 PM

hmmm, i dont think grishnak is in. why would wormtongue>sarumon? i forgot eomer>ugluk :mellow: i was thinking about that too. anyway, theyll go in.

EDIT: forgot, why gothmog vs eowyn? and gimli kills gothmog? when was that?

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Posted 12 August 2007 - 11:26 PM

ok, i 4got bout this 1: glorfindel shuld get boost against balrogs.
lemme explain 4 thos who r confused; glorfindel killed a balrog, but was killed in doing so, and the valar gave him new life (as they did 4 gandalf).

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:10 AM

Should the WK (both) and the Nazgul have a bonus against Frodo and humans? And Shouldn't it be Gandalf the Grey>Balrog? He wasn't the white at the time. WK should have a bonus vs. Gandalf the White, because the WK broke Gandalf's Staff at Minas Tirith, during the siege.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:41 AM

ok, i 4got bout this 1: glorfindel shuld get boost against balrogs.
lemme explain 4 thos who r confused; glorfindel killed a balrog, but was killed in doing so, and the valar gave him new life (as they did 4 gandalf).


it was never certain it was the same glorfindel i thot. maybe zimoo can clarify :mellow:

Should the WK (both) and the Nazgul have a bonus against Frodo and humans? And Shouldn't it be Gandalf the Grey>Balrog? He wasn't the white at the time. WK should have a bonus vs. Gandalf the White, because the WK broke Gandalf's Staff at Minas Tirith, during the siege.



lies! bad jackson ;) nothing like that ever happened in books, and they never even really had a confrontation. im not putting that in :)

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:37 AM

in order to see gimli kill gothmog you need to watch the special extended edition of rotk. eowyn just defeated the WK and Gothmog who was wounded by her tries to kill her but then aragorn chops off his arm and gimli plunges 2 axes into him (Aragorn did overkill on him):

Eowyn>Gothmog (she did beat gothmog but didn't finish him because she wanted to get to theoden)
Merry>WK (it was his sword that made him mortal)
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:54 AM

Should Gandalf (Grey and White) have a bonus vs. Balrogs. and Aragorn (don't know if this was in the books) should be strong against All Nazgul considering he along drove off at aleast some of them.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 07:54 AM

I find this a good idea, yet it might cause unbalance.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 08:26 AM

Yeah, unbalance is something that could easily result, but one thing to keep in mind these bonuses are not meant to be insta-kill type bonuses. The most extreme example would be Eowyn's smite vs the witch-king, where it might do more damage, but Eowyn is off-set by becoming more of a specialty type unit against nazguls and other areas. Most of the bonuses will be small and meant to give the player another reason to micro their units/heroes to make their army as efficient as possible verses any type of hero slayers.

This is just a topic to generate ideas and discussion to allow heroes and thus by extension their factions become more akin to the story-lne while becoming individualized and their tactics enhanced. I still remember one BFME1 game where the AotD was called against my Rohan army, not realizing that my Aragorn could actually win the battle, thus gaining the pp and xp to gain my AotD and win.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 10:21 AM

Yeah, Witchking > Gandalf the Grey/White. DEFINATELY.

why would wormtongue>sarumon?


He's the one that finishes him off after all... Both in the movie (Special Extended Edition of Return of the King) and in the books (Scourging of the Shire). If we'd do that, I'll suggest:

Hobbits > Wormtongue
Merry > Witch-King


EDIT: forgot, why gothmog vs eowyn? and gimli kills gothmog? when was that?


Extended Edition of Return of the King.

Pippin warns Gandalf and they are riding towards Denethor, but suddenly the Witch-King shows up. The Witch-King uses his Flaming Sword, and Gandalfs staff breaks. WK is about to finish him off, but then Pippin runs towards him. The Fellbeast growls and Pippin is stunned. Then the Rohirrim arrive and the WK flies away.

Battle of the Pelennor fields. Éowyn and Merry are knocked of their horse. Éowyn slices some Orcs, after that Gothmog comes towards her with his mace. Éowyn punches him in the face and Gothmog is knocked inconscious. Meanwhile, several Haradrim Warriors and Orcs run towards Merry who pwns them all (why did they cut that out?! such a cool scene!).
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Éowyn lies at the dead body of Théoden when suddenly Gothmog shows up. Éowyn tries to get her sword, but she is too weak. Gothmog is about to kill her, when Aragorn runs towards him and chops Gothmogs arm of. Gimli finally kills Gothmog with several hits of his axe.
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:10 PM

Should be Eowyn > Gothmog. Eowyn pwnd Gothmog, but when he came back for her, she was already too weak due to the battle against the Witch-King.

And Gandalf the White should be equally matched with the Witch-King. I hated that part of the WK breaking Gandalf's staff. It was just awful. Don't take that seriously, please.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 01:25 PM

hehe, theres a lot of the extended edition thats a bit far fetched imo. cant believe i forgot wormtongue sarumon tho :/ that was rather dumb.

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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:06 PM

actually gandalf is far greater than the WK. The WK was an undead man while gandalf was a maia who could've easily broke the WK:

Gandalf>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WK by a alot (PJ made a great mistake and it has quite pissed off alot of people)
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Posted 13 August 2007 - 02:19 PM

since wk was undead gandy couldnt kill him right? :good:

imo, if wk and gandalf would have fought, gandy would have been able to hold him off but not kill him.

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