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#21 Ash

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 05:33 PM

While this does not directly answer the question, Windu, I put it to you that it wouldn't be much of a "community" without its majority memberbase. Then again, it's not as much of a community as it used to be. And that ain't my fuggin' fault.

I think we can all agree that I have never really much cared what any individual or group on this forum thinks of me. I say what I think. They usually choose not to listen. If I'm wrong, I usually tend to admit as much. I don't think it's wrong to be allowed to protest against stuff on the board we feel are unjust, regardless of our ownership of said board. But this board is being run as a business. As such, it provides a service. As such, it stands to reason there might be some disgruntled consumers.


To be fair, we, even I, don't complain THAT much. As you're all well aware I only say anything when I fell strongly enough about it. As part of the whole free speech thing I think I have the right to do so. And when I am silenced (as I commonly have been of late), I flip my lid. As happened with the 'things I hate' thread. I posted my indignation (which was not only justified, but I EVEN POSTED ON TOPIC!), was silenced, therefore I proceeded to post again. And would continue to do so until someone dignified me with a response, because my grievance was at least deserving of one.


Additionally, even if the thread had stayed locked, we'd have just made another thread about it. It isn't like there aren't already a bunch of threads about it.


The Free Speech rule does not prohibit people from being assholes, or posting condescension. If it did, you'd already be warning Hostile every bit as much as me. Or would you?

And by the way, Banshee, don't pretend you've never dictated discussions nor left my words unedited before. As I recall, the last...oh, four arguments we've had have centred around that very theme.

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 05:56 PM

Banshee you kind of shot yourself in the back big time,

FREE - Other than the above, we believe in freedom of speech. Feel free to say what you like as long as it does not breach the FLAMES rule.



Locking topics because a admin disagrees with it is a complete disregard for freedom of speech and as such that individual must be removed from their position if they continue with their actions. From what I understand Gamemate is an admin for the hive, he should stick to his own area.

And Ashley boy, the whole point of freedom of speech is so you can do that as long as it doesn't erode or threaten another individuals right to freedom of speech, this is a basic concept of liberalism.

So actually put someone who understands philosophy and politics like moi into a position when I can give a neutral view and not just bash the commies.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 05:57 PM

Paradox, I was just responding to ihateharriers thinking that for some reason he owned the forum. I know that it wouldn't be a community without its members, and we're all appreciative of that, but least in my knowledge, if someone is paying for the forums, its pretty much theirs.
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Posted 15 August 2007 - 06:24 PM

I know what you were saying ;) He didn't say *he* owned the forum, but that we *all* did. At very least, we're all stakeholders in it, in that we have a vested interest, financial or otherwise, in its success or failure (Semantically different from shareholders, before someone came flying at me :) )

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Posted 15 August 2007 - 08:06 PM

Banshee you kind of shot yourself in the back big time,

FREE - Other than the above, we believe in freedom of speech. Feel free to say what you like as long as it does not breach the FLAMES rule.



Locking topics because a admin disagrees with it is a complete disregard for freedom of speech and as such that individual must be removed from their position if they continue with their actions. From what I understand Gamemate is an admin for the hive, he should stick to his own area.


Did you read my post? Was the topic mentioned in the posts above really closed for disagreement as you claim? The answer is in at least one of the replies above and it is a big no. And even in case someone closes a topic for disagreeing at people, this person is violating Revora rules. It is not what we want here either.

Read people's post before saying more stupid things.
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 04:27 PM

I know what you were saying ^_^ He didn't say *he* owned the forum, but that we *all* did. At very least, we're all stakeholders in it, in that we have a vested interest, financial or otherwise, in its success or failure (Semantically different from shareholders, before someone came flying at me :blink: )


thank you for actually understanding what i was saying, ash. i'm surprised at how it was so easily misunderstood when i specifically used the words "we" and "us" instead of "I".
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Posted 16 August 2007 - 07:21 PM

You weren't misunderstood. I think we got what you were trying to say, at least I did.
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Posted 17 August 2007 - 01:06 PM

I know what you were saying :p He didn't say *he* owned the forum, but that we *all* did. At very least, we're all stakeholders in it, in that we have a vested interest, financial or otherwise, in its success or failure (Semantically different from shareholders, before someone came flying at me :p )


thank you for actually understanding what i was saying, ash. i'm surprised at how it was so easily misunderstood when i specifically used the words "we" and "us" instead of "I".

No, Master Windu did indeed understand you correctly. The "we" and "us" includes "you", meaning that everyone, you too, should be able to answer the question Master Windu asked.

Paradox gave the answer that applies for all, including you. Without members, there is no community.

ummm, i think the reason that most of us are very ready to take a swing at an NL is because most of the NLs are very willing to use their powers in favor of themselves and their opinions over those who don't have moderator powers.

i think the closing of the religion topic is a good example; yeah you said you discussed it but it was done without warning. and honestly, what do you expect out of a topic that deals with religion? most of it is going to be nonsensical bickering because that's mostly what religion and the lack thereof is. to close it based up on that is ridiculous - you might as well ask Prime not to flame or ask a cat not to sleep.

this is a public forum frequented by many people of many different backgrounds, and that is why it is such a great place to express and develop our thoughts on religion, even if that comes out nosensical bickering. i back up Ash all the way in his NL bashing because i do think that it is deserved for a lot of the actions taken, especially the closing of topics, deleting of posts that "you" don't like, and editing posts that you feel aren't appropriate. this isn't just your forum, this is all of our forum, but i feel that you forget this most of time from the actions you take towards moderating this forum according to the way that you feel it should be.

Personally, I doubt this board is frequented by many people of many different backgrounds. At least not as many as you seem to think. The answer to the religion topic is yes (Is this mostly an athiest board?) When looking at those that post in that topic anyway.

Anyway, on to answering:
Like said before, a closing message would have been nice, but the lock was certainly a good choice. Rules need to be upheld and the lock did the job in this situation.

Let's imagine there was a sudden influx of muslim fanatics, many extreme muslims fanatics, lets say they equal our current number of members. They start to applaud and encourage terroristic suicide acts... Now what? Should we allow them to continue? They are half our community now...

Naturally, this example is quite unlikely ever to happen, but it does a good job at showing there are rules which need to be upheld. If you don't agree with them, fine, but they are the rules, and the forum moderators will uphold them to their best judgement. Whether you like it or not.

Of course, if you disagree with a moderator decision, you are free to complain, like Paradox did. If you do, we'll look into the matter, like we did this time.

Ah, and I don't know much about Prime, but I do know he was eventually banned for breaking the rules repeatedly.

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Posted 17 September 2007 - 08:52 AM

Let's imagine there was a sudden influx of muslim fanatics, many extreme muslims fanatics, lets say they equal our current number of members. They start to applaud and encourage terroristic suicide acts... Now what? Should we allow them to continue? They are half our community now...

well, at that point they are discussing illegal stuff, which would justify any measures :rolleyes:
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:42 PM

A month late with the defribulator on this thread but good job anyway.
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Posted 24 September 2007 - 08:37 PM

well just my opinion (which i don't really express that often now, because often just too busy to view other parts of Revora except RA2/YR section) but I just keep to my own forum space where I set my own rules of toleration and I have my own policy on locking/deleting threads or posts at my leisure.
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