Jump to content


Photo

RJ - RotWK Ideas


  • Please log in to reply
4 replies to this topic

#1 Witch-King of Angmar

Witch-King of Angmar
  • Members
  • 63 posts

Posted 30 August 2007 - 02:59 AM

well. this mod makes the game more enjoyable and fun

i have a few ideas to post:

-Make Minas-Tirith Larger (more floors and gates on each one)
-Closeable Black Gate (takes like 1 min to get open for balance or something)
-Realistic Helm's Deep
-Bigger Isengard
-add to Mordor the Armored Troll seen in Return of the King in the Battle for the Black Gate. (fighted with Aragorn and then fled away)
-9 Nazgûl's to Mordor (not only 7)
-Buildings only destroyable by siege machines. and maybe Sauron. (its seriously unrealistic a bunch of soldiers to bring down an entire building with swords or a fellbeast to bring down a whole building with touch it once)
-Flamming Sword for the Witch-King power
-Legolas Monster Slain Ability. (kills Mumakil or trolls with 1 arrow)
-Stormy Weather in Helm's Deep
-add Barad-Dûr Map
-unlimited range for Gorgoroth Spire Fireball from the Fortress

Edited by Witch-King of Angmar, 30 August 2007 - 03:06 AM.


#2 Shikari

Shikari

    Allons-y!

  • Project Team
  • 1,327 posts
  • Location:UK
  • Projects:RJ - RotWK
  •  2D Art

Posted 30 August 2007 - 07:45 AM

-Make Minas-Tirith Larger (more floors and gates on each one)

I'd love to see this; the EA map is just, not right. Also imo Minas Tirith should be the hardest fortress to take and at the moment it just isn't.

-Closeable Black Gate (takes like 1 min to get open for balance or something)

Great Idea :p

-Realistic Helm's Deep

I think there's bigger problems at the moment than the helms deep map. What exactly did you find unrealistic/what would you change?

-Bigger Isengard

Isengard's fine imo. I posted my ideas for fortress powers in the general talk section a while ago, and I think this map would particularily benefit from this.

-add to Mordor the Armored Troll seen in Return of the King in the Battle for the Black Gate. (fighted with Aragorn and then fled away)

He's already in game - called Burzolug

-9 Nazgûl's to Mordor (not only 7)

Realism 100%, but general over-poweredness prevents this. Also evil men really need the nazgul as they are short of heroes and they were led/forced to fight by the easterling wraith.


-Buildings only destroyable by siege machines. and maybe Sauron. (its seriously unrealistic a bunch of soldiers to bring down an entire building with swords or a fellbeast to bring down a whole building with touch it once)

However this hugely changes the gameplay and makes each faction totally dependant on its seige. I personally think units should b able to attack buildings, but not walls or gates. This, incidently happens to be the current set up in RJ.

-Flamming Sword for the Witch-King power

Stepping seriously carefully here as I don't want to revive the WK-Gandalf debate - I hate that bit in the films so i'm not that bothered about WK having flame sword.

-Legolas Monster Slain Ability. (kills Mumakil or trolls with 1 arrow)

There are animations for this, I have seen them in game demos. Most people seem to think it's impossible to implament, how good would it be though? Would love to see this.

-Stormy Weather in Helm's Deep

This will probably get done when Rob adds the skydome and camera angles to this map.

-add Barad-Dûr Map

Sounds good.

-unlimited range for Gorgoroth Spire Fireball from the Fortress

Would be realllly annoying. You would never be able to mass an army in one spot in you base for fear of the enemy using this.

Posted Image
Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image
Posted Image


#3 Witch-King of Angmar

Witch-King of Angmar
  • Members
  • 63 posts

Posted 30 August 2007 - 10:48 PM

im agree with the Gorgoroth spire. the range in fine now.

Burzolug got the wrong Armor.

Realistic Helm's Deep: the gate bridge like the movies. not touching the ground. and it shouldnt be earth on the side, garrisonable Fortress, no gates inside the fortress.

Nazgûl's: i know. but use the imagination for easterling heroes :evgr: Mordor needs the 9 Nazgûl's (btw a Nazgûl takes a loooooooooooong time to revive.. is that intended?)

Siege machinery: well. you shouldnt bring down Rock or Metal/Morgul buildings with arrows or with a few sword slashes. the buildings should be destroyable by Siege, Trolls (takes some time but you can), Giants (takes a bit less than Trolls), Heroes like Sauron, The Witch-King, Gandalf/Saruman Magic, Spellbook Destructive Powers and maybe with flamming arrows to destroy farms (takes a lot of time to bring down one)

that should make the game more realistic. specially the building resistance

#4 Witch-King of Angmar

Witch-King of Angmar
  • Members
  • 63 posts

Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:26 AM

btw

-blood effects
-New Models for Orcs/Goblins/Uruk-Hai, Men Soldiers and Horse men
-Fellbeast Animations
-Make some heroes to change their model/skin when they rise up their lvl. like gandalf. he got gandalf the gray and then he is gandalf the white after a few lvl ups. i suggest to do the same with other models like The Witch-King of Angmar (without armor until lvl5 like the other Nazgûl's and then the Normal Armored Witch-King), Aragorn with the Fellowship of the Ring robes and then after a few lvls he gets the Gondor's Armor like in the Black Gate with the Anduril Sword and maybe King Armor at lvl10 or when Gondor has the Ring, same with Boromir except for the King Armor and the ring thing, Mordor Troll (i always forgot the name for some reason :)) without armor until lvl3, actual dark red armor until lvl6 and then fully gray armored troll like in the Black Gate, Theoden with normal robes until lvl3 and then he gets armor without helm until lvl6 and then he gets full armor. same with Háma, Gamling and Eomer. change the Skin and the Models for Mûmakil's, etc

another idea: replace actual units sounds: i got a list from the movie quotes. i wrote this in SEE forums for add those in game and replace the actual ones:

i wrote each quote from the movie in chronological time. from the begining of the Fellowship of the Ring to the end of The Return of the king

Galadriel:
-Much that once was is lost. For none now live who remember it.
-Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.
-The power of the enemy is growing. Sauron will use his puppet Saruman to destroy the people of Rohan
-Isengard has been unleashed
-The Eye of Sauron now turns to Gondor. The last free kingdom of men
-His war on this country will come swiftly. He senses the Ring is close. The strength of the Ringbearer is failing. In his heart, Frodo begins to understand. The quest will claim his life
-You know this. You have foreseen it. It is the risk we all took.
-In the gathering dark, the will of the Ring grows strong. It works hard now to find its way back into the hands of men. Men, who are so easily seduced by its power
-For Sauron will have dominion over all life on this Earth, even until the ending of the world
-The time of the elves is over. Do we leave Middle-Earth to this fate? Do we let them stand alone?
-The power of the three rings is ended. The time has come for the Dominion of Men

Gollum:
-My Precious.
-Shire! Baggins!
-Gollum
-Curse them! We hates them! It's ours it is… and we wants it!
-No. Ashes and dust and thirst there is, and pits, pits, pits. And Orcses, thousands of Orcses. And always the Great Eye watching, watching.
-Wraiths! Wraiths on wings!
-The Black Gate of Mordor!
-Mustn't go that way! Mustn't hurt the precious!
-Sméagol lied
-Precious! Precious! Precious! Precious!

Gandalf:
-Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks.
-The Eye of Sauron...
-The Ring is altogether evil!
-It's Saruman!
-A Balrog — a demon of the ancient world
-You cannot pass!
-Flame of Udûn!
-Go back to the Shadow!
-You — shall not — pass!
-Fly, you fools!
-I am Gandalf the White
-I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound
-Ride out and meet him head on. Draw him away from your women and children. You must fight
-The defenses have to hold
-Look to my coming, at first light, on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the East.
-Sauron's wrath will be terrible, his retribution swift
-The battle for Middle-Earth is about to begin
-The enemy moves against us. We need to know where he will strike
-Sauron moves to strike the city of Minas Tirith
-he knows the heir of Elendil has come forth. Men are not as weak as he supposed; there is courage still, strength enough perhaps to challenge him. Sauron fears this. He will not risk the peoples of Middle-Earth uniting under one banner.
-He will raze Minas Tirith to the ground before he sees a King return to the throne of men. If the Beacons of Gondor are lit, Rohan must be ready for war.
-Minas Tirith, City of Kings
-War is coming. The enemy is on your doorstep!
-Where are Gondor's armies?
-Help must come to us
-It's the deep breath before the plunge
-There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope
-Our enemy is ready, his full strength gathers. Not only orcs, but men as well, legions of Haradrim from the South, mercenaries from the coast… all will answer Mordor's call
-This will be the end of Gondor as we know it. Here the hammer stroke will fall the hardest
-Sauron has yet to reveal his deadliest servant. The one who would lead Mordor's armies in war. The one they say no living man can kill: the Witch-King of Angmar
-The Witch-King of Angmar. He is the lord of the Nazgûl, the greatest of the nine. Minas Morgul is his lair
-The board is set. The pieces are moving..
-You must not fail me
-Prepare for battle
-Pull them in! To the wall! Defend the wall! Return to your posts!
-Send these foul beasts into the abyss!
-Hold them back. Do not give in to fear! Stay at your posts! Fight!
-Aim for the trolls. Kill the trolls! bring them down!
-You are soldiers of Gondor! No matter what comes through that gate, you will stand your ground!
-Volley!
-Fight! Fight to the last man! Fight for your lives!
-Go back to the abyss!
-Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master!
-The darkness is deepening
-He has suffered a defeat, yes, but behind the walls of Mordor our enemy is regrouping

Gothmog:
-Kill him!
-Faster! Draw swords!
-The age of Men is over. The time of the Orc has come
-Stay where you are
-What are you doing, you useless scum?
-Get back there and smash it down
-Grond will breach it
-Bring up the wolf's head
-Move into the city.
-Kill all in your path
-Fire!
-Fire at will!

Witch-King of Angmar:
-Send forth all legions
-Do not stop the attack until the city is taken
-Slay them all
-I will break him
-Do you not know death when you see it
-This is my Hour!
-You have failed
-The world of Men will fall
-Feast off his flesh
-Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey
-You fool!
-No man can kill me!
-Die now!

Boromir:
-It is a gift. A gift to the foes of Mordor.
-Why not use this Ring?
-One does not simply walk into Mordor...
-Not with ten thousand men could you do this. It is folly!
-It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt… over so small a thing. Such a little thing.
-As you wish…
-They have a cave troll
-I would see the glory of Gondor restored.
-I ask only for the strength to defend my people!
-You Fool!
-I see your mind. You will take the Ring to Sauron! You will betray us! You'll go to your death and the death of us all!
-I have failed you all
-It is over. The world of men will fall, and all will come to darkness… and my city to ruin.
-Let the armies of Mordor know this: Never again will the land of my people fall into enemy hands
-For Gondor!
-The One Ring. Isildur's Bane.

Faramir:
-Saruman attacks from Isengard. Sauron from Mordor
-How many?
-A chance for Faramir, captain of Gondor, to show his quality
-Prepare to leave
-Nazgûl!

Saruman:
-Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all — his gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh.
-You did not seriously think that a hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron? There are none who can..
-Against the power of Mordor there can be no victory
-You… have elected… the way of… pain!
-The power of Isengard is at your command
-The world is changing...
-Who now has the strength to stand against the armies of Isengard and Mordor.
-Who now has the strength to stand against the might of Sauron and Saruman, and the union of the Two Towers.
-Together, My Lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-Earth
-We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orcs
-Rohan, my lord, is ready to fall
-The world of Men shall fall
-Tens of thousands
-A new power is rising. Its victory is at hand
-This night, the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan!
-Leave none alive!
-To war!
-There will be no dawn for Men
-What do you want Gandalf Greyhame? Let me guess: the key of Orthanc, or perhaps the key of Barad-dûr itself, along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards!
-Something festers in the heart of Middle-Earth. Something that you have failed to see. But the Great Eye has seen it.
-Even now he presses his advantage.
-His attack will come soon
-You're all going to die
-You cannot think that this Ranger will ever sit upon the throne of Gondor. This exile, crept from the shadows, will never be crowned king
-What is the house of Rohan but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and rats roll on the floor with the dogs?
-You are a lesser son of greater sires

Sauron:
-I see you..
-You cannot hide! I see you! There is no life in the void, only death!
-Build me an army worthy of Mordor!
-Aragorn… Elessar…

Aragorn:
-They are the Nazgûl, Ringwraiths, neither living nor dead
-He's been stabbed by a Morgul blade.
-If by my life or death, I can protect you, I will
-You have my sword
-We must turn back!
-Elendil!
-Saruman...
-I'm Aragorn, son of Arathorn
-We are friends of Rohan and of Théoden
-Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us!
-It cannot be!
-This is but a taste of the terror that Saruman will unleash
-All the more potent for he is driven mad by the fear of Sauron
-Open war is upon you, whether would risk it or not
-They will hold
-All Isengard is emptied, Ten thousand strong at least
-It is an army bred for a single purpose: to destroy the world of Men
-Gondor will answer
-Farmers, farriers, stable boys. These are no soldiers.
-"Togo hon dad, Legolas! Dago hon! Dago hon!" (Legolas, stop him! Kill him!)
-Ride out with me
-Ride out and meet them
-For Rohan. For your people
-Every day Frodo moves closer to Mordor
-Gondor calls for aid!
-Sauron will not have forgotten the Sword of Elendil
-I am Isildur's heir, Fight for Me
-You may go no further. You will not enter Gondor
-If Sauron had the Ring we would know it
-Draw out Sauron's armies. Empty his lands. Then we gather our full strength and march on the Black Gate
-Behold the sword of Elendil
-Let the Lord of the Black Land come forth! Let justice be done upon him!
-Pull back! Pull back!
-Hold your ground! Hold your ground!
-Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me
-A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day
-An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight!
-By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!
-For Frodo...

The King of the Dead:
-The dead do not suffer the living to pass
-The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead. And the dead keep it
-The way is shut. Now you must die
-We fight!
-Release us

Mouth of Sauron:
-My master, Sauron the Great, bids you welcome.
-Is there any in this rout with the authority to treat with me?
-Old Greybeard. I have a token I was bidden to show thee
-The halfling was dear to thee, I see. Know that he suffered greatly at the hands of his host
-Who would've thought one so small could endure so much pain? And he did, Gandalf. He did.
-And who is this? Isildur's heir? It takes more to make a king than a broken Elvish blade

Legolas:
-Goblins!
-A Balrog of Morgoth...
-The White Wizard approaches
-You look terrible
-too few. Look at them. They're frightened. I can see it in their eyes
-men i ndagor. Hýn ú ortheri. Natha daged aen! (They cannot win this fight. They are all going to die!)
-Your friends are with you
-Shall I describe it to you? Or would you like me to find you a box?
-Faeg i-varv dîn na lanc a nu ranc. (Their armor is weak at the neck and under the arms.)
-I'm on seventeen!
-Nineteen!
-Final count: fourty-two
-Fourty-three
-He was twitching
-Gameover
-The Eye of the enemy is moving
-He is here!
-Fifteen, sixteen
-Seventeen
-Thirty-three, thirty-four

Èomer:
-Do not trust the hope.
-Rohirrim!
-For the king!
-Aim for the head!
-We cannot achieve victory through strength of arms

Eowyn:
-They were unarmed They had no warning
-Let me stand at your side

Sam:
-What are you doing?! Those wraiths are still out there!
-Black Riders!
-Nobody pushes me, you filthy maggot!
-Get off of me!
-Destroy it!
-No.. No...
-NO!!!

Theoden:
-I will not risk open war
-Ten thousand?!
-Let them come
-I want every man and strong lad able to bear arms, to be ready for battle by nightfall
-War is upon us!
-do you trust your king?
-To whatever end..
-is the horse and the rider. Where is the horn that was blowing..
-They have passed like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the west. Behind the hills, into shadow..
-How did it come to this
-Give them a volley
-Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, Saruman?
-Draw your swords!
-Hold them!
-The fortress is taken. It is over
-So much death. What can men do against such reckless hate?
-For death and glory?
-Yes. Yes! The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time!
-Let this be the hour when we draw swords together
-Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath. Now for ruin. And the red dawn!
-Forth Eorlingas! (Helm's Deep)
-And Rohan will answer!
-Muster the Rohirrim!
-On the third, we ride for Gondor. And war!
-So it is before the walls of Minas Tirith, the doom of our time will be decided
-Now is the hour, Riders of Rohan, oaths you have taken! Now, fulfill them all! To Lord and Land!
-Ride now, ride now, ride! Ride for ruin and the world's ending!
-Death!
-Forth Eorlingas! (Minas Tirith)
-Make safe this city!
-Reform the line! Reform the line! Sound the charge!
-Charge!
-Bring it down! Bring it down! Bring it down!
-Rally to me! To me!

Frodo:
-I will take the Ring to Mordor
-He escaped the dungeons of Barad-Dûr!
-I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened
-You know the way to Mordor?
-Are you saying that there is another way to Mordor?
-The Ring will not save Gondor. It has only the power to destroy
-It's too late. It's over. They've taken It! They took the Ring! (when the enemy get the ring)
-It's Him! The Eye!
-It's gone. It's done.

Pippin:
-you need people of intelligence on this sort of mission, quest… thing
-Great! Where are we going?
-For the Shire! Hold him! Hold him down!
-Merry?
-Im hungry
-If we go south we can slip past Saruman unnoticed. The closer we are to danger, the farther we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect
-No we won't. Not this time
-What are you doing?
-I don't believe it
-It is
-Where are they?
-No!

Merry:
-It's Saruman's army! The war has started.
-We're running out of time!
-And what about Saruman?
-Our friends are out there. They need our help! They cannot fight this war on their own
-You must help. Please. You must do something
-The fires of Isengard will spread. And the woods of Tuckburough and Buckland will burn. And all that was once green and good in this world will be gone
-There won't be a Shire, Pippin
-Are you mad, we'll be caught
-Pippin, hold on!
-It can't be
-Welcome, my Lords… to Isengard!
-We are sitting on the field of victory, enjoying a few well-earned comforts
-No!
-Frodo! Frodo!

Nazgûl:
-Give up (cut the "hafling she-elf" thing")

Arwen:
-If you want him, come and claim him!
-There is still hope
-You have the gift of foresight, what did you see?
-It is time. Give him sword of the King

Gimli:
-what are we waiting for?
-Grrr…
-Keep breathing, that's the key! Breathe! Hooh!
-I would stay still if I were you
-Argh! That one counts as mine!
-What's happening out there?
-Anybody hit anything?
-Come on! Send them to me!
-Argh! I'll have no pointy-ear outscoring me!
-Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Twenty. Twenty-one. Twenty-two. Twenty-Three...
-The sun is rising
-Yes!
-He was already dead
-He was twitching because he's got my axe embedded in his nervous system!
-There are plenty for both of us! May the best dwarf win!
-Twenty-nine!
-It still only counts as one!
-Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?

Haldir:
-You can go no further.
-We are proud to fight alongside men, once more.

Uglúk:
-Get back, scum!
-Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

Elrond:
-Men are Weak
-The Ring must be destroyed
-The Ring must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fires of Mount Doom (cutting and adding diferent quotes from the diferent sentences to form that or simply rip it from the trailer xD)
-there is nothing for you here, only death
-You ride to war but not to victory
-You're outnumbered, Aragorn. You need more men
-They will answer to the King of Gondor!

Normal Orc:
-What does the Eye command?
-Why can't we have some meat?
-Go on, call for help. Squeal! No one's gonna save you now!
-Move it, you slugs
-Come on! What have I told you? Now move it!
-Don't you know we're at war?
-Back in the line! You maggots! Back into the line, you slugs!

Dunlending:
-We will die for Saruman

Uruk-Hai:
-Saruman!
-I'm starving. We ain't had nothing but maggoty bread for three stinking days!
-The scum tried to knife me! Kill 'em!

Gríma/Wormtongue:
-Saruman the White has ever been our friend and ally.

Treebeard:
-Don't be hasty
-Saruman! A wizard should know better!
-There is no curse in elvish, entish or the tongues of men for this treachery
-They have business with the orcs. My business is with Isengard tonight. With a rock and stone
-Rárum-rum! Come my friends. The Ents are going to war
-It is likely that we go to our doom
-The last march of the Ents
-A hit. A fine hit
-The filth of Saruman is washing away. Trees will come back to live here. Young trees, wild trees
-Bless my bark!

Ent:
-Little orcs! Búrarum

Rohirrim:
-Mordor will pay for this

Gondor Soldier:
-Shields up!
-Watch out!
-Nazgûl!

Randoms:
-Man: Kraken!! when the tentacles creature of isengard spawns

#5 Devon

Devon

    Dark Nerd of the Sith

  • Global Moderators
  • 5,886 posts
  • Location:Colbert Nation
  • Projects:RJ RotWK, Twilight of the Republic, HDLH
  •  T3A Chamber Member
  • Division:Community
  • Job:Global Moderator
  • Donated

Posted 01 September 2007 - 01:59 AM

new models and skins require a lot of work from 1 man teams that would be better put to use on coding and buildings and stuff :) oh, and campaign maps :p

yodasig2.png
My political compass
There's a story that the grass is so green...what did I see? Where have I been?





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users