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#1 Phoenix Rising

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 09:38 PM

If anything anchored the ragtag elements of the Rebel Fleet together, it was the big star liners of the Mon Calamari. PR simply would not be complete without proper models for them. That's why this update focuses on adding three new Mon Calamari ships to the mod.

The two you should be familiar with are the Liberty-class MC80 Star Cruiser and the Independence-class MC120 Star Cruiser. These are by far the most well known in the MC line. Both have received much more detailed and accurate models. The new one is the Reef Home-class MC80 Star Cruiser, which despite being more obscure, was actually more common than any other Mon Calamari star cruiser at the Battle of Endor. Unlike the Liberty-class types, which were converted into cruiser-carriers, the Reef Homes capitalize on the hyperdrive capability of Alliance fighters and take on heavier armor instead of large hangars. In addition, their shield rating is also better due to the lower amount of surface area to cover from the lack of lateral wing structures. The end result is a ship that is more capable of standing up to the Empire's star destroyers and TIE Bombers, but one that will require additional fighter support.

I wanted to get this update posted earlier, but got busy with real-life things. At any rate, in the spirit of the season, Happy Halloween from Phoenix Rising!

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 10:28 PM

SWEET!!!!
Great models, also may I add great Pumpkin, you did that I'm guessing.

P.S. How close are we to a release?

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 10:35 PM

Yeah, I'm slightly fanatic :party:.

It's getting there... before the end of the year for sure. If I didn't have classes, it would've been out already :party:.

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 10:52 PM

#@!#$ing school :party:

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 12:23 AM

Very impressive. Those models look like carbon copies of the cruisers from Return of the Jedi. :party:

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 01:24 AM

nice models... now the rebels will be a little more balanced with the imps!!!

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 01:53 AM

Yeah, I'm slightly fanatic :party:.

It's getting there... before the end of the year for sure. If I didn't have classes, it would've been out already :party:.

Ah well, then we'll have better Lucasarts games soon ;)

Btw this is kindof off topic but...when you played SWG did you take ss of the village of aurilia, I never was able to go there and would like to see some more SS of it, since none of the ones I found are up close :(

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 03:12 AM

Hm, Aurilia. Half the time you went there, it was filled with aggro NPCs, so there wasn't much time to take screenshots. My SWG screens are on another hard drive though which isn't hooked up right now, so I can't check, but it wasn't much to look at; barely a step up from an Ewok village. I don't know why anyone would live there...

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 02:12 PM

Very nice. Though I'm a firm Imperial player, I can definitely appreciate the Mon Calamari ships. Victory isn't worth it without a challenging opponent, right? Heh.

I hate to ask, but is there any chance of... Damnit, I forget the mark, it was either the MC-80a or the MC-75. The Mon Cal cruiser from the X-Wing series with one lateral wing mounting a torpedo launcher. z3r0x included it in haphazard mod as a small beasty that was a kind of greenish blue. I'm just rather fond of the one-winged design... Which has everything to do with the missiles it packed.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 03:41 PM

Actualy, i'v never heard of the mc-120 before i saw it in your mod, I asume its your own creation for balanceing purposeses?
And yes, all hail the mon calimari, they have nice ships.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 04:44 PM

that pumpkin is freakin' awesome.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:21 PM

Actualy, i'v never heard of the mc-120 before i saw it in your mod, I asume its your own creation for balanceing purposeses?
And yes, all hail the mon calimari, they have nice ships.

the MC 120 is well known, though it is really only a match for the preator-clas dreadnaught. it is weaker than excutor and eclipse, and is still "only" 3800m long

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 08:49 PM

I ment outside of the game, its not on wookiepedia as far as i can tell.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 09:17 PM

I hate to ask, but is there any chance of... Damnit, I forget the mark, it was either the MC-80a or the MC-75. The Mon Cal cruiser from the X-Wing series with one lateral wing mounting a torpedo launcher. z3r0x included it in haphazard mod as a small beasty that was a kind of greenish blue. I'm just rather fond of the one-winged design... Which has everything to do with the missiles it packed.

Just one wing? I've never heard of it, although I can tell you that the MC75 is purely fanon. The ship in X-wing and later was the "MC80a," which they used for the Home One-type, albeit grossly undersized (ironically, some of the cutscenes appear to size it properly). I don't believe it ever had torpedoes.

Actualy, i'v never heard of the mc-120 before i saw it in your mod, I asume its your own creation for balanceing purposeses?

Just the classification - it's the same class as the Home One and what official sources call "MC80... but no, not that MC80" or something to that effect. Quite frankly, the canonical information to date on the Mon Calamari is a mess of contradictions, so I chose to deviate in order to have it make more sense.

MC numbers can either be ship classes, or, as Saxton points out, something descriptive of relative tonnage or power. Canonically, it can be neither (hence contradiction). If it is a ship class, it must be unique, yet MC80 is used to describe a number of clearly different ships. If it is tonnage or power, all ships with the same number must be relatively the same, yet the Home One clearly isn't the same as Liberty, Reef Home, Naritus, or Mon Remonda.

In order to fix the first problem, I use standard naming classifications in conjunction with the MC values. So there's no ambiguity whether you're talking about the Liberty-class MC80 or the Reef Home-class MC80. For the second problem, well, Home One's stats in WEG and XW are clearly wrong; it's not 1200 meters long and its armament contradicts the RotJ novelization, which states that it carried the heaviest weaponry in the fleet (in other words, not 29 turbolasers, because the other MC ships had 48). It's certainly reasonable that, because of how misrepresented it is, its designation is wrong as well. So I use MC120 to describe it.

Because the letter designations that are sometimes seen after the MC number have been used haphazardly (unable to even agree on whether they are capitalized or not), I've thrown them all out and instead used them to describe the upgrade level of a ship. So a typical branch looks like this:
  • Liberty-class MC80 Star Cruiser
  • Liberty-class MC80a Star Cruiser
  • Liberty-class MC80b Star Cruiser
  • Liberty-class MC80c Star Cruiser
I think this is simply a case of strict canon being slow to catch up to empirical evidence and hopefully within a few years, we will see a retcon to properly describe the MC line (or at least Home One's length). But just remember, you played it here first :lol:.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 10:04 PM

Yea I figured it was home one. But from what i access from it, home one was just a beefed up mc80a. but the MC120 works well for balanceing purposes. and its big, which is good.

Would also be nice have the vicount class stardefender too, just for the sake of seeing the rebels with a Star Defender :lol:
http://starwars.wiki...s_Star_Defender
I'm not sugesting you add it though, I'm sure it would be rather "difficult" to find a model for it. and by difficult i of course mean impossible.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 11:16 PM

home one was just a beefed up mc80a

The MC80a from XW should be about as relevent as the 8 km Super-class Star Destroyer.

I'm sure it would be rather "difficult" to find a model for it. and by difficult i of course mean impossible.

Well, the rigging would be the worst part. So many guns.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 05:56 PM

You've never heard of it? Odd. I certainly remember a winged Mon Cal cruiser from my X-wing vs Tie days, and for some reason remember it havong only one wing.

I remember it having wings, because the odd locking mechanism on the missile launchers each wing had was the only thing stopping me from fragging the things with locked missiles from several kloms away.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 08:29 PM

X-wing vs TIE pwns all!

it iis just that in that mission the cruiser you attacked it from one side, so the made the one wing "hardpoint"(targetable with torpedo, destructable)

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 10:14 PM

The quote thing isn't likeing me, but I'll just write and figure you can guess what im talking about.
The a in mc80a is just to differinciate it from the b type which is different from the others. I'v never played xw.

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 05:54 AM

Oh, I know what the letters are supposed to do, the problem is that there are multiple hullforms for the MC80a.



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