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[Phoenix Rising]

With regards to Executor/Super, I'd go with the Wookieepedia line, if for no other reason than armaments. If you look at it, Super has something to the effect of 40% of Executor's length, but only 20% of her weapons emplacments. Even allowing for the fact that a smaller ship wouldn't be expected to have the corresponding percentage of weapons of a larger vessel, that ship looks undergunned to me. Building it would be a waste of time.

Almost 30% by damage, mainly because of the concussion missiles. But if you're firing on ships that are, at most, half of your length, that kind of becomes moot. I think you're missing the perspective here - these classes weren't intended to fight each other, they were intended to combat Rebels. Perhaps the Superior design was drafted significantly earlier when there was no other option.

The name "Super-class Star Destroyer" was invented by Imperial Navy officials and used in its budget requests to the Imperial Senate during the design and construction phase of the Executor-class Star Dreadnought. This ruse was made to hide the true nature of the class, even going so far as to understate its size and armament, so that oversight committees would not discover its true role.

I know what Wookieepedia says, but the fact is that the plans still existed and could have been used. I guess the reasoning behind this thread is that 19-km dreadnoughts should not have been as disposable as they have been in the canon, so some of them clearly have to be the other design. I mean, come on Rebel Assault 2, there's no way a lone TIE Phantom could blow up an Executor when hundreds and hundreds of torpedoes couldn't .

[EduardPais]

maybe it crashed into the command deck, like the a-wing did in the sixth part

[Phoenix Rising]

Blehhh.

[slornie]

In the first mention of Iron Fist, It is just a Star Destroyer, while later it is upgrade to 'Super' Status. But I guess it has to be Superior for reasons stated above. Besides. Zinj did'nt do that much damage with it, just hit and fades. If he had an Excecutor class i can imagine that megalomaniac causing Much more random damage. Compare the impact of Lusyanka in the hands of Isard with Zinj (who was also extremely intelligent) and there is no comparison on the impact each ship had. Therefore Iron Fist must be Superior.

You definitely talking only talking about one Iron Fist there? Because Zinj had an ISD with that name earlier in his career.

[Phoenix Rising]

Yeah, I wasn't sure of that either.

[Phoenix Rising]

But the rebels have to win, so we see these unrealistic depictions.

Not in my mod they don't .

Speaking of Executor, in the mod, can she fire a full volley across the length of the ship?

Almost nearly, but I think the length of the keel exceeds the range of the heavy turbolasers even, so not quite. Of course the turbolasers should technically have a much greater range, but in order to operate on standard map size of EaW, it is what it is .

[Phoenix Rising]

Well, I'm not adding it now, but I didn't say I couldn't. That being said, I don't have any plans to add it...

I still don't know what "similar-sized vessels" you're referring to though; the Independence-class is 3800 meters, the Bulwark is estimated to be around 3500, and a Lucrehulk is just 3170. What else is out there (I don't think there were any rogue Mandators or the like)?

[slornie]

In the X-wing series, when Han says 'kiss my wookie' to Zinj, at that point he has an Imperial-class star destroyer called Iron Fist.
In the next book, possibly Iron Fist, or it's predecessor, Zinj has a super star destroyer called Iron Fist. In both cases, Zinj was causing huge problems to the NR, and From the context, the two events were quite close together in time, and I just thought that the author changed Iron Fist from Imperial class to Super class just to make a good plot, quietly ignoring the conflicting facts that the ship changed class without anyone noticing!

Zinj was in Courtship of Princess Leia (set slightly before the X Wing books i think), how is his ship described there?

If Zinj had Imperial class Iron Fist in his early career, and much later had the Super-Class Iron fist, then my read of the situation is that the size of the second Iron-Fist was mis-reported or ambiguous and so we can push for Superior Status only.

Or, it could be that Zinj was deliberately leaking misinformation about Iron Fist, suggesting that it was only an Imperial class, in order to make him a lesser priority for the New Republic fleet, while he consolidated his position and secured his assets.

[Phoenix Rising]

Hmm. If this really hasn't been addressed before, you can bring it up to Chee in his continuity thread and see what he says. My guess though is that they would be two distinct ships, since they don't tend to like to make things apocryphal if possible. To make matters worse, Zsinj's old VSD, which is also named Iron Fist, was present at the same battle over Dathomir in which he died. In other words, there would be three distinct ships there with the same name if this is the case .

[Pred the Penguin]

Hmm. If this really hasn't been addressed before, you can bring it up to Chee in his continuity thread and see what he says. My guess though is that they would be two distinct ships, since they don't tend to like to make things apocryphal if possible. To make matters worse, Zsinj's old VSD, which is also named Iron Fist, was present at the same battle over Dathomir in which he died. In other words, there would be three distinct ships there with the same name if this is the case .

Thats just crazy. =_=
You'd think someone would have the good sense of renaming them.
lol

[Ghostrider]

Hmm. If this really hasn't been addressed before, you can bring it up to Chee in his continuity thread and see what he says. My guess though is that they would be two distinct ships, since they don't tend to like to make things apocryphal if possible. To make matters worse, Zsinj's old VSD, which is also named Iron Fist, was present at the same battle over Dathomir in which he died. In other words, there would be three distinct ships there with the same name if this is the case .

Who, or what is Chee?

Also, if you are right, and there are three separate Iron Fist ships, then Iron Fist SSD has not yet been destroyed becuase it was not present at Dathomir when Zsinj died.

Where is it now?

Edited by Ghostrider, 06 December 2007 - 12:33 PM.

[Phoenix Rising]

Who, or what is Chee?

This guy. Basically, the guy who decides what is or isn't officially canon.

Where is it now?

Hmm, probably hanging out with Daala somewhere .

[Ghostrider]

New though on Executor Class ships.

Zsinj had 2 Super star destroyers - Iron Fist and Razor's Kiss.

I find it inconceivable that any commander could have TWO Executor class vessels - so therefore they must be Superior only!