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[Sûlherokhh]

Religion in it's old and outdated state is enough of a nuisance on humanity as it is. Scientology adds the modern miracle of immunity by law and complete psychological manipulation to the mix. If they ever scored a larger amount of followers, trying to defend yourselves from them would be like trying to kick down a brick wall. You would literally have to kill these people to stop them, which is something that I consider scary.

Yes.

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Everyone dismisses this as nothing, but this group of people is not only detestable, they are a malicious arrangement of manipulators and con-artists.

Isn't this what every successful religious movement has been at one time or another? In this, Scientology really is a religion.

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And regardless, any religion that requires you to pay money is a false religion to make money, plain and simple.

Wrong. Not so long ago, the catholic church had something on it's shelf which allowed you, when bought, to remove a few past sins off your resume, so you could face your maker with a white shirt of innocence.

Now I, personally, have a theory, and I'd hate to be labeled some sort of conspiracy theorist for this, but I believe that Scientology is so retarded that none of the so-called believers really believe in it. I hypothesize it is the cover for something...what? I don't know. ...

... retarded ... I suppose you mean retarded in the face of science. Well, there is god, and angels, and the devil, and hell, and rebirth. Kind of retarded in the face of science if you think about it.
No, it's not so retarded that none of the 'believers' believe in it. On the contrary. It works like any other believe, inlcuding religion. You learn something to be true without proof. You learn to accept it. You go out in the world with your 'truth'-goggles on, the kind of glasses that color everything in the shade of your believes. (Everybody has one btw.). And Lo! Behold!: Soon enough you will find proof of your truth, apparent to the 'schooled' eye.
This sort of circular-referencing logic has been the topic of many of my post: Example On Religion
I think, applied Scientological methods can very well lead you to believe it is true. Just like with other religions, organizations, fraternities, it's a matter of psychological preassure, a dance between a persons need for individualism and his/her need for a collective to belong to, the need to feel strong and free and the need to feel safe and not alone.

So, what's really dangerous with Scientology and with every other Religion? It's not just dangerous customs. The worst thing, the number 1 bad mf among any organization is the value they place on missionary work.


Now that i look at it, this makes a lot of civil initiatives kind of evil... go figure. Anyway, that's what really feels evil to me, the need, the unstoppable urge to proselytize that these organizations are showing.

[Ash]

Adding fire to this topic, this is Hubbard's views on starting a religion, just as he did so later on:

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is."
- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

I wonder if any of those who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars/euros/marks/whatevers have ever seen this quote?

And, Ash. This isn't about what the Scienos have done to you, it's what they have done to countless people, and what they may do to countless more. Murder, extortion, ripping families apart: it's all in their operating history.

You speak as if no other religion has ever done these things...the only difference is that Scientology is a new religion that appeared in the modern age. Had it appeared a few hundred years ago, nobody would be thinking any differently of it than Christianity or Islam. Perhaps laughing at them more because they're paying lots of money, but then, I laugh at Televangelist worshippers for their similar level of stupidity.

Scientology's more an amusement for me than the threat you make it out to be. It amuses me by illustrating the one fundamental human truth: We just. Don't. Ever. Learn.

[duke_Qa]

Scientology's more an amusement for me than the threat you make it out to be. It amuses me by illustrating the one fundamental human truth: We just. Don't. Ever. Learn.

if you look at this sentence in a very anti-religion, better-safe-than-sorry perspective, you will live up to your nick

i am "amused" by scientology. but if there isn't a healthy dose of criticism and knowledge about them combined with amusement, you are one step away from fascination and two steps away from loyalty. if we do like in the old days and think "oh well its just a small thing, it'll pass over on its own", we're already screwed.

any religious-like organization that actively preaches and spreads its word because it ultimately will make money on it should be shot down ASAP.

[Hostile]

Anonymous vs Scientology. Battle of the cults. It simply doesn't get any better than this. I mean seriously. I couldn't write a book this good. Truth is trully stranger than fiction.






http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Watch the videos. I wonder what the cult master of CoS is thinking once they find themselves targeted by such an collection as Anonymous.

It's like the ultimate celebrity death match...

[Hostile]

http://www.711chan.org/i/

Seems CoS has struck back with thier own hackers and spam whores. 711chan is down for now and it's amazing to watch the first true cyber war among "qualified" contestants.

If you can take down Anonymous "place of refuge" through hacking and botnets, than it's gonna be something to see.

I'll be following this one closely...

Is it possible to dismantle the CoS as Anon has portrayed? What is the uber destruction to people who choose one side or the other? If I choose the side of Anon than I might find myself "corrupted"

And we all have seen what Anon can do when you try to defile them. (no pun intended)

So both sides are rather resourceful and powerful in thier own means...

What an interesting battle this is. Makes me wonder how wars and cultures will conflict in the future.

[Blodo]

Scientology is rather retarded in the respect that they have no idea that fighting anonymous is like pissing in an ocean of piss. The benefit of a leaderless group is that there is no leader, no centralisation and as a result no head to cut off. Dismantling it piece by piece is something I would consider close to impossible and even though 711chan got smacked, anon still has places to discuss aplenty.

Here's some more stuff about scientology btw:
http://www.enturbulation.org/
And my personal favourite:
http://www.xenu.net/
Along with the Wise Beard Man's videos to anon:

[Ash]

Let's enter the Church of Scientology and Anonymous into the special olympics! I cannot conceive of anything so irrevocably pointless as a hackwar.

Scientology's more an amusement for me than the threat you make it out to be. It amuses me by illustrating the one fundamental human truth: We just. Don't. Ever. Learn.

if you look at this sentence in a very anti-religion, better-safe-than-sorry perspective, you will live up to your nick

i am "amused" by scientology. but if there isn't a healthy dose of criticism and knowledge about them combined with amusement, you are one step away from fascination and two steps away from loyalty.

My friend, I'm laughing at Scientology, not with it. Therefore I don't see how I'm anywhere close to being paradoxical. That being said, how could one adopt a position of anti-religion, better-safe-than-sorry? That IS paradoxical in the same way as adopting a totalitarian, power-to-the-people standpoint in politics.

if we do like in the old days and think "oh well its just a small thing, it'll pass over on its own", we're already screwed.

Tell me how Scientology is any worse than any of the other religions. Tell me what it is doing that the others haven't done worse, or aren't doing worse.

any religious-like organization that actively preaches and spreads its word because it ultimately will make money on it should be shot down ASAP.

Tithes. Many religions have had them in the past. Some still do. Why else do you think that religious organisations are some of the richest on the Earth, and don't have to pay taxes? Hubbard wasn't kidding when he said "Religion. That's where the money's at." The man's a friggin' genius on that score. Dodged every turn and jumped every loophole. Is it any wonder he's so demonised? There'll be enough people out there thinking "Christ, I wish I'd thought of that."

[Blodo]

Lawl hackwar. It's gonna be an IRL raid Ash, and that's quite different. Feb 10th.

The goal? To remove Scientology's tax exempt status or outright ban them if possible like in Germany. Still think this is all pointless?

[Mathijs]

I kinda do, yeah... I'm disappointed in anonymous, didn't think they'd give a fuck about Scientology, taking up a cause and all. This isn't just for the lulz anymore. Pity.

[Blodo]

It is for the lulz when you imagine how the scifags are going to cry at their new worldwide scrutiny and removal of all religious rights.

[Pastinator]

In AD 2008 war was beginning

the /b/tards did start send out every zig they could muster, and on feb 10th we will determine if great justice has been served.

I love the channiness in the messages that the mainstream media fail to pick up on.
I want anonymous to cause mass chaos IRL raids, that will probally be the coolest thing ever to happen in the history of b.
And what's great is the fact that the /b/tards are picking on a deserving cause.