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[Arthadan]

That was what I meant, if the "force of Darkness" get Morgoth and the Free Peoples have nothing to stop him... what are they suppose to do when Morgoth appears? Lose automatically the game?

On the other hand, if they are supposed to have something to stop Morgoth, it should be another Vala and then we will have two Valar in the mod, from this my comment about we will feel we play the Simarillion instead.

[Nazgûl]

Well, this "power" of releasing him would be reeeeally limited, as in availability, and actual prescence in ME. It might also be not far from that ^ losing the game. It could be a summon that Sauron alone can do, when using the Ring, and he might need a lot of time to do it, so you have to stop him before that happens. We might have a similar "lose in an instant" for the other side too as I'm contemplating over the Ring while in Frodo's hands... This has been discussed before, but I'd like to find a way to make Frodo leave the map, and start a times that would suggest his journey to Mount Doom, so you have to win the game/match before Frodo reaches his goal... This won't happen for Beta 4.7 though

[{IRS}Athos]

Balrogs are too Maiar. They were Maiar of fire called Valaurakaur corrupted by Morgoth. Sauron, or Gorthaur as he was known back then, was also a Maiar. And yes, the Valar do care. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have launched the War of Wrath. Sauron escaped, and thus the Valar couldn't bring him to judgement.

[Florisz]

And if the Valar didn't care about the Free Peoples of Middle Earth, why would they send the Istari? Then why would Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Pallando and the other guy be there?

[Sûlherokhh]

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PS: Balrogs are NO maiar. They are creatures made by Morgoth. In a huge army the fought for Angband against the human and elves of the later days.

The Silmarillion, Book 3 (Quenta Silmarillion), Chapter 3 (Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor)
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(The two lamps in the north and the south had just been destroyed by Melkor.)

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But in the north Melkor built his strength, and he slept not but watched and laboured.
And the evil things that he had perveted walked abroad, and the darkened slumbering woods where haunted by shapes of dread.
And in Utumno he gathered his demons about him, those spirits who had first adhered to him in his days of splendor and became most like him in his corruption.
Their hearts where of fire but they where cloaked in darkness and terror went before them.
They had whips of flame, balrogs they where named in middle-earth in later days.
And in those dark times Melkor bred many other monsters in diverse shapes and kinds that long troubled the world ...
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NOTE: The Spirits mentioned are the Ainur. Those that entered Arda where later called the Valar ('Powers') and the Maiar ('lesser powers?').

[robnkarla]

An interesting read (I'm sure others have seen it):

The truth about balrogs

Not exactly up to the balrogs wear fluffy slippers argument, but interesting non-the-less.

Robert J.

[Florisz]

I'm going to read that link
I know that a Balrog is an Evil Maia, but that is it.

[Sûlherokhh]

Nice find.