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[Nertea]

It means that they don't detect other units and stop from pathing through them. You can see this when you put hordes on a wall, for example - sometimes they will stand "inside" each other, also when the horde turns they'll run through each other. So imagine this with slower moving, large trolls and the like...

[kennethain]

Oh OK. Yeah, that would look extremely foolish. I see your point now.

[Olorin]

OK, someone mentioned combining soldiers with battering rams (can't remember who), but from a logical point of view this could be taken further to include all manner of machine, e.g. catapults, trebuchets and the like (except Grond, of course, although if it's possible to place archers on it as in the films...not likely). I can't remember if this has been done already though.

Also, about the infantry-cavalry combos: remember the tutorial in B4ME? There was a scene in it where there were (I think) a group of peasants and Rohirrim combined. The peasants advanced on the enemy while the cavalry trotted behind, and then when the melee was about to begin, the cavalry charged forth and trampled the enemy. It's not as bad a combo as you think.

Edit: I had suggested this to Celeglin for TEA, but it was a little 'off the path' for him. Anyway, how about hobbits combining with Ents, as well as mounted heroes such as Gandalf and Eowyn? Would this be possible?

Edited by Olorin, 10 February 2008 - 03:12 AM.

[m@tt]

Yes, I think we're including that. Although having them mount with Eowyn would ruin her Disguise ability so I don't know how that would work.

[MorgoththeMight]

It is possible, the elvenstar mod did it, but I don't know if the staff would like it, and I also don't see the use of combining your hobbit with gandalf?..

[Lauri]

getting them fast as hell to the battlefield, to rank 10, ect...

[MorgoththeMight]

yeah but why on earth would you want your hobbit lvl 10 when you got gandalf to fight with, and probably also an army, since you're in the late game (gandalf) ..? I mean.. hobbits are kinda the early game heroes, who become quite useless in the late game.. but if you're gonna change that, I'll be fine with that too

[Lauri]

but your forgetting a very important thing mate...
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see any cool buttons?
As far as I remember, the hobbits were good heroes to use, both early, mid and late game... It's just a matter on how you use them

[Guess Who]

Hobbits are so cool, especially Pippin.

[MasterSilver]

I don't know if this would go here, or if anyone has asked but, will there be formations which combined hordes especially will be able to stay in. Such as box formation. This would be when pikes or swords form a box around archers or siege weapons. Or let's say split formation in the case of trolls, or even slow moving heroes. If any of you have played age of mythology you or other age of empire games you will know what I'm talking about. Just wondering.
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[Elen Naro]

I think there should be a way of splitting up combo hordes again. If you feel it's bad for balance, you could make it pricey or something? Just suggesting.

[m@tt]

The problem is the upgrades/experience bug, so it would just lead to exploitation.

[Lauri]

and if you do have it cost money...
it sucks for non-upgraded hordes

besides... why split a horde you've merged?

[Elen Naro]

Couldn't you make the cost a function of upgrades/experience? And I'd split it because I like how merged hordes look, but I think they have tactical disadvantages (loss of special formations etc).

[mike_]

besides... why split a horde you've merged?

Well...this one time in the Campaign, I accedently combined my Rohirrim with a Peasant battalion..
So then I had to deal with them being so...slow...and pretty much useless for the rest of the game -_-

[KingBradley]

A heroes combo, maybe? To combine it with the normal troop or with the other hero just to make them together in some formation.

[kennethain]

My only argument against splitting combined hordes is that once they split, both new hordes have the upgrades and rank that the combined horde had... In other words, if you combine two battalions of Gondor Soldiers, one fully upgraded and rank 10 and the other being brand new, when they are split you now have two battalions of rank 10 fully upgraded soldiers. This is great for you, but rather unfair to the opponent. It would really eliminate the need to buy upgrades for more than one battalion so a player could quickly upgrade his entire army without spending much money at all... Unless that is of course something you've thought about and it could be used as a strategy

[Yarrum]

Perhaps you could implement splitting hordes, but make it cost the highest amount of money you could spend to make a unit fully upgraded, plus an extra amount in case the unit has experience. For example, If It costs 1500 resources to purchase all the possible upgrades, and that is more money than it takes for any other unit, than 1500 becomes the base for pricing. I doubt it's possible to create individual pricing for every possible combo horde, and even if it was, it would be too much work. If you decide to implement this, you should probably just add like 1000 for experience to the price or something like that.

[MasterSilver]

Hey man, that sounds like an excellent idea. Instead of having it the same for everyone though I would make the price different for some factions. For example it would cost more to split a an elven horde than for mordor, because elven upgrades cost more. I would also, I don't know if this is possible have the units loose some excperience because they earned most of there experience working together and they will need to learn how to function independently again. Tell me what you think, and is it just me or do the forums seem dead. Hopefully people are just vacationing, have a great rest of summer .
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[Yarrum]

Thanks, and yeah, the forums do seem kind of dead...