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[MSpencer]

George Bush is a fucking lunatic.
Why, might you ask?
http://www.reuters.c...736443620080308

I'm wondering how others see this, because from where I'm sitting:
1. President sets up a veritable concentration camp in Cuba.
2. Laws are "passed," others are ignored, under the purported threat of another 9/11. These laws allow just about any authority to detain someone indefinitely without charge or arraignment.
3. President invades Iraq.
4. President's subordinates send HUNDREDS of people to Guantanamo Bay (Stats say 775, but is that number really correct? Will we ever know?)
5. President tries to get wiretapping bill passed, but even John Ashcroft balks at this. As a result, Alberto Gonzales visits him in his hospital bed demanding his signature on either a letter of resignation, or on the domestic wiretapping bill, making Gonzales the only person in the world who can make Ashcroft look like a sympathetic character in comparison.
6. President's toady, Karl Rove, in order to divert attention from the wiretapping fiasco, outs Valerie Plame as under a CIA NOC. As a result, the entire administration is seen to be... a joke.
7. In 2006, after Alberto Gonzales takes over the reigns of Justice, eight US attorneys are sacked. Why? Well, one of them was wildly incompetent and shouldn't have been there in the first place. The other seven were prosecuting Republicans for things such as perjury, and corruption. One of them had been cited months earlier as being an inspiration to the US Attorneys Office!
8. Alberto Gonzales, after being "caught" as it were, is then brought before Congress where he.... lies. Repeatedly. And shows off that he really has no clue of what happens in the day to day operation of his department. In other words, he is revealed to be a complete and total quack.
9. Alberto Gonzales then argues that the writ of habeas corpus does not belong to Americans according to the Constitution. Instead, the Constitution really means you can't take it away, but doesn't that mean it's in place to begin with?
10. Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton are subpoenaed to appear before Congress. At the instructions of the President, they ignore this.
11. Alberto Gonzales resigns, and hires a criminal defence attorney who worked for G. H.W. Bush and worked on the Florida ballot recount team!
12. Then waterboarding comes out. The CIA is torturing people in Cuba. Idiots like Nancy Pelosi who don't care to read what is put in front of them don't have much to say except "So what," while people like John McCain, who was tortured, feel that waterboarding everyone should be mandatory. We don't need to get into an argument over what torture is and if it's useful; the fact of the matter is that they simulate drowning, which is torture, both psychological and physical, and they videotaped it.
13. Some lawmakers are appalled, some aren't. Following a long debate, Congress decides this isn't right, and bans waterboarding and torture at Guantanamo Bay, outright.
14. The President ignores this, and vetoes the bill, for "America."
And thus, the story of how Plame-gate, wiretapping, Iraq, and waterboarding are all linked to George Bush's presidential administration, and all of the fateful decisions he's made.
When we're finally safe, will we recognize the America we've built for ourselves atop the shattered ruins of our Constitution and our previous dedication to human rights?
I wonder.

[Soul]

For fucks sake, yet more reason people are hating the US and bush.


I'm really interested in what Hostile will say.

Edited by Soul, 09 March 2008 - 02:15 AM.

[Hostile]

You are intitled to your opinion about the lunatic part, I feel the same way about Pelosi, Murtha, and Reid. But let's point out some inconsistancies here.

1) It's a military prison not a concentration camp. Call it whatever you feel like it. Even the lar left press doesn't call it that.
2) If laws were broken, the democratic congress would be screaming impeachment.
3) Stating the obvious.
4) See point 1.
5) There has never been one person who filed a complaint about being wiretapped. You really should stop trying to scare people.
6) This not major considering the acts of many presidents in the past. And the second half of your statement is total opinion.
7) President can sack US Attorneys at will, Clinton canned quite abit himself as have every President before him.
8) If Gonzales lied he would have been served with Contempt of Congress and Perjury. Which he wasn't.
9) I don't have any knowledge of that so I won't comment.
10) It's called Executive Privilage. Bush if FAR from the only President to use the power.
11) And the significance of this is what again?
12) They only water boarded 3 actual people besides the FBI and CIA agents who were in training. Also McCain is against waterboarding not for it.
13) And it was vetoed...
14) As it should have been...


Like a said, if you think he's a lunatic than that's your opinion...

George Bush is a fucking lunatic.
Why, might you ask?
http://www.reuters.c...736443620080308

I'm wondering how others see this, because from where I'm sitting:
1. President sets up a veritable concentration camp in Cuba.
2. Laws are "passed," others are ignored, under the purported threat of another 9/11. These laws allow just about any authority to detain someone indefinitely without charge or arraignment.
3. President invades Iraq.
4. President's subordinates send HUNDREDS of people to Guantanamo Bay (Stats say 775, but is that number really correct? Will we ever know?)
5. President tries to get wiretapping bill passed, but even John Ashcroft balks at this. As a result, Alberto Gonzales visits him in his hospital bed demanding his signature on either a letter of resignation, or on the domestic wiretapping bill, making Gonzales the only person in the world who can make Ashcroft look like a sympathetic character in comparison.
6. President's toady, Karl Rove, in order to divert attention from the wiretapping fiasco, outs Valerie Plame as under a CIA NOC. As a result, the entire administration is seen to be... a joke.
7. In 2006, after Alberto Gonzales takes over the reigns of Justice, eight US attorneys are sacked. Why? Well, one of them was wildly incompetent and shouldn't have been there in the first place. The other seven were prosecuting Republicans for things such as perjury, and corruption. One of them had been cited months earlier as being an inspiration to the US Attorneys Office!
8. Alberto Gonzales, after being "caught" as it were, is then brought before Congress where he.... lies. Repeatedly. And shows off that he really has no clue of what happens in the day to day operation of his department. In other words, he is revealed to be a complete and total quack.
9. Alberto Gonzales then argues that the writ of habeas corpus does not belong to Americans according to the Constitution. Instead, the Constitution really means you can't take it away, but doesn't that mean it's in place to begin with?
10. Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton are subpoenaed to appear before Congress. At the instructions of the President, they ignore this.
11. Alberto Gonzales resigns, and hires a criminal defence attorney who worked for G. H.W. Bush and worked on the Florida ballot recount team!
12. Then waterboarding comes out. The CIA is torturing people in Cuba. Idiots like Nancy Pelosi who don't care to read what is put in front of them don't have much to say except "So what," while people like John McCain, who was tortured, feel that waterboarding everyone should be mandatory. We don't need to get into an argument over what torture is and if it's useful; the fact of the matter is that they simulate drowning, which is torture, both psychological and physical, and they videotaped it.
13. Some lawmakers are appalled, some aren't. Following a long debate, Congress decides this isn't right, and bans waterboarding and torture at Guantanamo Bay, outright.
14. The President ignores this, and vetoes the bill, for "America."
And thus, the story of how Plame-gate, wiretapping, Iraq, and waterboarding are all linked to George Bush's presidential administration, and all of the fateful decisions he's made.
When we're finally safe, will we recognize the America we've built for ourselves atop the shattered ruins of our Constitution and our previous dedication to human rights?
I wonder.

[Tom]

Wait until they start using them on the American people. I'm sure you will change your tune then.

[Ash]

Lol quite.

So, while simultaneously breaking quite a lot of human rights laws, he has the gall and affrontery to do it in full public view.

And Hostile's defence of his mighty God-Emperor was possibly the weakest I've ever seen him put up yet. And that's saying something.

[Hostile]

Lol quite.

So, while simultaneously breaking quite a lot of human rights laws, he has the gall and affrontery to do it in full public view.

And Hostile's defence of his mighty God-Emperor was possibly the weakest I've ever seen him put up yet. And that's saying something.

I believe calling him my God-Emperor is imbellishing just abit there. Also there have only been 3 people water boarded. It's not like it has been scores or hundreds water boarded. Honestly I don't care. I've said that before.

Also note, I worked 13 hours yesterday and 12 today. I'm just not up to par with long drawn out discussions right now...

Working 25 out of the last 48 hours makes one docile. One way to tame the masses I suppose, keep them too tired from work to have the energy to make a stand.

[Ash]

Only three people. Only three. At what point is the threshold whereby you actually start to be concerned about it?

And so what you're saying is if you didn't work silly hours, you'd actually see and speak reason on this matter? Here's a question, then: Why work silly hours that are illegal?