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#1 Vortigern

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 08:14 PM

Robert Mugabe today accused of Britain of having "mobilised its friends and allies in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand to impose illegal economic sanctions against Zimbabwe. All this has been done to cripple Zimbabwe’s economy and thereby effect illegal regime change in our country."

I laughed long and hard at this. Apparently we, the Western world, are trying to bring down Mugabe by starving him out in a kind of modern-day siege attempt. Bollocks we are. All that Britain has done is refuse to trade with and send aid to Zimbabwe until a corrupt and illegal regime is brought down, and has encouraged others to do the same. That this may or may not precipitate a revolution within Zimbabwe is a side effect, but there is no proof of any kind that it may be deliberate. All it does it put the onus on Mugabe to find a solution and save his country, even if that means stepping down and letting someone competent who actually cares about keeping the population alive take over.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 05:05 PM

Hahaha. Robert Mugabe is a delusional dictator. You know I read in the newspaper today (The Times) that he is giving his people an ultimatum: democracy or food. If they want relief aid and food they have to hand in their National Insurance Cards until the election ends, so the Democratic Movement don't get many votes. Mugabe's regime is both trying to eliminate the democratic party, stay in power for longer and try to (emphasis on try) seem caring towards the people by being the only one allowed to distribute food aid.

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 06:51 PM

I'm surprised no one has even tried to kill him yet.
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Posted 09 June 2008 - 11:52 PM

I'm surprised that no other country has had the balls to stand up to him until now. It's about god-damn time somebody embargoed him. Should be the UN really, but we're a good start.
Actually, I'm also surprised that it was us that are the first to do so. Pleasantly surprised, but still. I wouldn't have thought Gordon Brown had the stones for a stunt like this. The one and only time I have said it: good for him.
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Posted 10 June 2008 - 03:10 AM

Too bad all we care about is oil anymore, because this would have been a good time to roll our tanks into an unsuspecting dictator's country. Damn you Bush... Why did we have to go into Iraq?

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 03:35 PM

No country deliberately starts a war for the common good. It's always a matter of profit, power or survival...

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#7 Vortigern

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 05:34 PM

Which is why there should be someone more dynamic in power. Like me, for instance. :unsure: I'd be quite happy to declare war on him on moral grounds, which would no doubt win me a great deal of support among the public, were I to sell it properly to them. I think, to be honest, the policy with Mugabe is more or less 'Wait until he dies then we'll do something'. Which almightily sucks.

Who here would vote for me? :xcahik_:
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 07:51 AM

To think that Mugabe originally started as a people's politician. He eventually went nuts with power and got very paranoid, thinking that everyone was out to kill him (which, in the cases of many African leaders, including himself, was true [not literally speaking, just the stereotypical bad guys in each country <the militias resembling al-Qaeda in many things save ideology>]). How he solved it, on the other hand, was much less admirable than his intentions. One word........ Genocide.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 01:15 PM

I'm not really surprised mr. Bush hasn't declared war on him yet. After all, why would he? There's nothing to gain in Zimbabwe, but if there'd be oil in the country, I'm sure he'd have used Mugabe as an excuse for war.

On the other hand, how hard'd it be to kill him? Just hire someone to shoot him, and there'd be no point of evidence towards to US or anything. After all, most of the world wants him dead. Because on moral grounds, he surely deserves to die.

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 09:37 PM

Atleast, at maximum he can reign for another 13 years

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 11:08 PM

13 years? That's a strange figure to pull out of a hat like that.... I would have thought maybe 3 years at most before Zimbabwe runs out of food and he's either killed by angry rioters or kills them all and has nobody left to rule.
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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:59 PM

Sorry I meant 16. He longs to reign till he's 100, that's why.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:10 PM

To think that Mugabe originally started as a people's politician. He eventually went nuts with power and got very paranoid, thinking that everyone was out to kill him (which, in the cases of many African leaders, including himself, was true [not literally speaking, just the stereotypical bad guys in each country <the militias resembling al-Qaeda in many things save ideology>]). How he solved it, on the other hand, was much less admirable than his intentions. One word........ Genocide.

Your making him sound like a mix of Hitler and Stalin.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 04:42 PM

Yeah, Mugabe is Swahili for 'Hitler-Stalin', or 'Hitlin'. :xcahik_:

Then again, I actually agree with CIL on this one, I think Mugabe is one of the most despicable men on the face of the planet. Of course, I am not familiar with the dregs of society across the world, but as a public figure, he needs to be stopped, removed and disposed of. He is simply a glorified pest, and we need a gigantic can of pesticide to spray him with. Or drop on his head, which may work a bit better....
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:07 PM

While he does steal every election and has destroyed Zimbabwe, assassinating him isn't the solution. If the Hague issues a warrant for his arrest for war crimes, then the United Nations should prosecute it with a multinational force. The British would sign on as would the French, and the United States needs good PR. Sending in an operative to blow his head off just isn't acceptable. It would result in a destabilized country that would probably fall into civil war. Seizing him and putting Tsavangirai in charge wouldn't be a bad idea though.
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 07:35 PM

If Tsvangari wants to, as he stepped down. He encourages people to vote for Mugabe to make life better for themselves, and avoid persecution.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:59 AM

Only because he has no choice if he wishes to stay alive. Mugabe is a dictator with no apparent limits to his power within Zimbabwe. Morgan Tsvangirai says to vote for Mugabe because if you don't your family will be butchered and your livelihood ripped to shreds. The only reason Tsvangirai himself has remained alive this long is because he became an publid figure and known across the world. His murder would obviously implicate Mugabe and give the UN the final prompt it may need to send a peacekeeping force to Zimbabwe and arrest Mugabe.

True, assassinating him is not the solution. It most likely would result in something even worse than Mugabe. But there's always a chance, isn't there? If Mugabe dies anyway, which is extremely likely, given that he's currently 84 years old, would Tsvangirai step into the breach, or would the military seize control and demand to put their generals in command?
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 02:26 PM

Probably a coup d'état by the military.
But I read in the Daily Telegraph today that Tsvangarai and Mugabe have some kind of alliance now, and Mugabe wants himself to become President of some "national initiative" and have Tsvangarai and his "friends", as Mugabe put it, in the cabinet. It won't work.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:45 PM

South Africa has intervened, and forced Mugabe and Tsvangirai to sit down together and have a long talk without shooting each other. Mugabe has agreed to power-share, but to what extent is as yet ineffable. I find it likely that Tsvangirai will soon resign or meet an untimely end.
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