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[Ash]

There is no other way to put it. Our entire lives are stripped bare, our livelihoods left prone with necks showing to the tiger that is our government. We have rights, ideals and freedoms which we are not permitted to exercise.

" A right that can't be defended is a right that exists only in name. In Britain there is, in effect, no right to life or property."
It's true. In this country, we have no right or authority, despite the citizen's power of arrest, to do fuck all. We will be tried for injuring our would-be attackers. Despite his eccentricity, Martin should be lauded as a hero for embodying that which our fathers and grandfathers fought for in the first and second world wars. They defended their right to their freedom and property and life and land and so many of them perished in this defence. We, on the other hand, are not even given the opportunity to defend our right to freedom, property and life because of the government we supposedly appointed.

After the miner's strikes were crushed, the people of Britain have no power. Thanks to the draconian rule of Thatcher and her repressive ways, the people of the UK will go along with anything without putting up a fight. We have no freedom, much as our government trumpets that it does.

We are over-taxed, over-priced, over-worked, under-paid, under-valued and under the line of poverty. And yet, we are unable to even defend ourselves from other forms of terror or injury beyond the metaphorical kick in the bollocks that we each receive.

I almost wish there was a God. One who might inspire all sixty million of us Britons to action. But no.

Edited by Ash, 07 June 2008 - 04:07 PM.

[Soul]

I feel sorry that it sucks so much there Ash :(.

[duke_Qa]

The troubles of a free-market taking over ones government. Either they turn it into a right-wing authoritarian system that works for them, or they leave whatever political orientation it had in peace but leeches its power.

Besides, theres a recession/depression coming, it should help waking people up a bit if done correctly. though the political system of the UK is like "labour=pro-capitalism, or "conservative=pro-pro-capitalism". the more progressive and pro-grasroot parties needs more power to do something about that. and with a very bad period with a conservative prime minister, it wouldnt be unlikely that the memories of blair will avoid the re-election of the labour-party.

Then again i'm just ranting on here . btw, that article is very old, i dunno if it is representative these days. it seems that blair's ban on guns have caused a rise in knife-killings. which might be a positive thing if you look at it in a jaded fashion...

[duke_Qa]

might not be more comfortable, but at least it takes alot more dedication to actually do it . squeeze a trigger and run away, or choke the life out of someone, while listening to their pleas. every little step to make killing harder helps.

[Romanul]

I have seen a lot of radical people on the forums.This sows up that we are not taken in consideration.

BTW see this video:



The truth in the face.

Ive also seen an seria of some videos about 9/11(911,what an coincidence)which showed up that Bush would be the guy behind 9/11

Here is part 1

[Tom]

I have seen a lot of radical people on the forums.This sows up that we are not taken in consideration.

BTW see this video:



The truth in the face.

Ive also seen an seria of some videos about 9/11(911,what an coincidence)which showed up that Bush would be the guy behind 9/11

Here is part 1

People need to stop blaming Bush. Hes a puppet, not the puppet master. 9/11 as an inside job is no longer a conspiracy theory, it has enough credible evidence. The evidence for it is astounding. There needs to be a new public investigation into 9/11. The fact that many of the supposed "hijackers" are still alive; the fact that this was reported by the BBC back in 2001 and the fact that the official story does not take this into account is just the tip of the iceberg. Did anyone question why Building 7 was never in the official 9/11 commission report? Did no one even know that the BBC and FOX both reported the collapse of this building 20minutes before it collapsed, whilst it was standing in the background of the screen:

Heres just one of the research sites: http://911research.wtc7.net/ There are plenty more.

The so called "new world order" aka One-World Government is part of this reason imo ash. The reason we are losing our rights is so we cannot resist the transition to a global form of governance. Its an only stated aim of both David Rockefeller and many other secretive globalist organisations such as the Bilderberg Group.

[CIL]

Bush and Blair have really messed up the U.S. and the U.K. I heard that the price per gallon of gas in the U.K. is 9$! Bush has left us in an equally bad situation, what, with the war, nothing done on domestic issues, a several TRILLION dollar debt (still in the trillions in Euros), the dollar's value less that the Canadian dollar's value (something it used to be worth more than by a lot) and many other things. Conservatives trying to run a socialist country isn't exactly that pleasant to imagine. I feel sorry for you Brits as your situation is most likely as bad or worse than the one in the U.S. which is still pretty bad.
Also, I doubt that Bush caused 9/11 but that he had the chance to prevent it, but that he didn't (kinda like what Roosevelt pulled off during WWII and Pearl Harbour in order to get our country into the war).

Edited by Crazy Intellectual Liberal, 06 July 2008 - 07:46 AM.

[Phil]

It wouldn't surprise me for a second if the US government was behind all of that, even though Tom's evidence in his last post is rather poor (at least check the links are right before you post them, duh! ).

[Tom]

I never said they were everything. They are the tip of the iceberg. There is so much information out there now that the official story no longer has a leg to stand on. A new investigation must be done. And its not so much the US government. Its not like the senate decided to pass this act. There are certainly criminal aspects of those in and behind the government involved in pulling this off.

People need to see governments as mafias. They horde our tax money, make monopolies on services and produce standardised systems that treat people like numbers as opposed to human beings. Both socialism and capitalism are bad systems. Capitalism can only work if there is a central body ensuring no monopolies grow up around the people and that big companies are kept in check. Socialism however has to come from the people, not a central state. Otherwise you get slavery. Liberty is a perspective of life, it cannot be implemented by government, however government aid the people in upholding it. Government is there for service of the people not for service of itself.

[Phil]

I actually meant that the second link doesn't work, but of course your essay is highly appreciated aswell

[Tom]

Bush and Blair have really messed up the U.S. and the U.K. I heard that the price per gallon of gas in the U.K. is 9$! Bush has left us in an equally bad situation, what, with the war, nothing done on domestic issues, a several TRILLION dollar debt (still in the trillions in Euros), the dollar's value less that the Canadian dollar's value (something it used to be worth more than by a lot) and many other things. Conservatives trying to run a socialist country isn't exactly that pleasant to imagine. I feel sorry for you Brits as your situation is most likely as bad or worse than the one in the U.S. which is still pretty bad.
Also, I doubt that Bush caused 9/11 but that he had the chance to prevent it, but that he didn't (kinda like what Roosevelt pulled off during WWII and Pearl Harbour).

We are all in a sinking ship. Britain and America are both being stabbed in the back by these globalist bastards. People need to realise the real struggle is again for Liberty. It is not left vs right, those are fake struggles as both forms of government are slavery. Its about Liberty vs Authority.

Either way, if 9/11 was an inside job or not, in the bigger picture it was used as a pretext for fear mongering, a false war, seizing resources and centralising power as well as destroying the US constitution / peoples Liberties. It is the reichstag fire of the modern era, but instead of a single fascist state, it is being used to create many which can soon be merged into one. The EU and the AU are already in existance. The NAU is on paper. Now watch the west leech off of the east as it starts to break up Russia and China's dominance over asia to push for an asian union. Kosovo is now independant, there was a revolution in Ukraine in 2004, all supported by the same powers "that be." How long is it because the global warming scam, the peak oil (scam maybe?) and the global food crisis (scam also? possibly) give reason to say we need more supra-national authority, that of these huge super unions and then the UN. IMO these are all being used as pretexts to push for global governance.

[Tom]

I actually meant that the second link doesn't work, but of course your essay is highly appreciated aswell

Does now bitch

[Phil]

People need to see governments as mafias. They horde our tax money, make monopolies on services and produce standardised systems that treat people like numbers as opposed to human beings. Both socialism and capitalism are bad systems. Capitalism can only work if there is a central body ensuring no monopolies grow up around the people and that big companies are kept in check. Socialism however has to come from the people, not a central state. Otherwise you get slavery. Liberty is a perspective of life, it cannot be implemented by government, however government aid the people in upholding it. Government is there for service of the people not for service of itself.

While I roughly agree that governments can be seen as mafias, the reality is always far more complex than it might look. Even centralisation has its advantages, it's just that every country/people ought to find the right balance between simplifying and standardising matters while keeping the individual freedom a top priority. Also, every government/administration is by its nature self-enlarging, automatically finding more and more areas to take an interest in, which is why it needs to be constantly trimmed.

Either way, if 9/11 was an inside job or not, in the bigger picture it was used as a pretext for fear mongering, a false war, seizing resources and centralising power as well as destroying the US constitution / peoples Liberties. It is the reichstag fire of the modern era, but instead of a single fascist state, it is being used to create many which can soon be merged into one. The EU and the AU are already in existance. The NAU is on paper. Now watch the west leech off of the east as it starts to break up Russia and China's dominance over asia to push for an asian union. Kosovo is now independant, there was a revolution in Ukraine in 2004, all supported by the same powers "that be." How long is it because the global warming scam, the peak oil (scam maybe?) and the global food crisis (scam also? possibly) give reason to say we need more supra-national authority, that of these huge super unions and then the UN. IMO these are all being used as pretexts to push for global governance.

Nice comparison with the Reichstagsbrand, I actually believe it goes into that direction. I'm not quite sure how global warming (how is that a scam, btw?), high oil price and food crisis can be used in favour of such super-administrations. As proven with 9/11, only imminent fear works well enough. Most people simply don't seem to care about the rest (except the oil price, but that's just frustrating).

[Tom]

People need to see governments as mafias. They horde our tax money, make monopolies on services and produce standardised systems that treat people like numbers as opposed to human beings. Both socialism and capitalism are bad systems. Capitalism can only work if there is a central body ensuring no monopolies grow up around the people and that big companies are kept in check. Socialism however has to come from the people, not a central state. Otherwise you get slavery. Liberty is a perspective of life, it cannot be implemented by government, however government aid the people in upholding it. Government is there for service of the people not for service of itself.

While I roughly agree that governments can be seen as mafias, the reality is always far more complex than it might look. Even centralisation has its advantages, it's just that every country/people ought to find the right balance between simplifying and standardising matters while keeping the individual freedom a top priority. Also, every government/administration is by its nature self-enlarging, automatically finding more and more areas to take an interest in, which is why it needs to be constantly trimmed.

Unless you have a constitution that restricts government. The only problem is the constitution has to be upheld by EVERY citizen. Unforunately the Americans have been convinced and brainwashed into a mass hypnosis of ignorance that they don't even realise their own constitution is practically dead. I do hope the restoration movement grows to mass proportion however.

Either way, if 9/11 was an inside job or not, in the bigger picture it was used as a pretext for fear mongering, a false war, seizing resources and centralising power as well as destroying the US constitution / peoples Liberties. It is the reichstag fire of the modern era, but instead of a single fascist state, it is being used to create many which can soon be merged into one. The EU and the AU are already in existance. The NAU is on paper. Now watch the west leech off of the east as it starts to break up Russia and China's dominance over asia to push for an asian union. Kosovo is now independant, there was a revolution in Ukraine in 2004, all supported by the same powers "that be." How long is it because the global warming scam, the peak oil (scam maybe?) and the global food crisis (scam also? possibly) give reason to say we need more supra-national authority, that of these huge super unions and then the UN. IMO these are all being used as pretexts to push for global governance.

Nice comparison with the Reichstagsbrand, I actually believe it goes into that direction. I'm not quite sure how global warming (how is that a scam, btw?), high oil price and food crisis can be used in favour of such super-administrations. As proven with 9/11, only imminent fear works well enough. Most people simply don't seem to care about the rest (except the oil price, but that's just frustrating).

Global Warming is natural, not caused by CO2. The CO2 scam is merely there to further enslave people with Carbon credit cards and carbon tax. It won't be long until we all have chips in our arms. There are 31,000 scientists, many with PHd's whom have signed a document saying there is no consensus that Global Warming is caused by CO2. There is also evidence of global warming on mars and jupiter as well as known evidence that sunspots are massively increasing, which these scientists believes relates to the temperature rises. There is also many articles posted by media outlets, independant and mainstream whom state that global warming actually stopped in 1998 and we are now in a stage of global cooling. But i have no idea how that links in with the sunspots if sunspots increase temperature. All i know is CO2 is bullshit and is being / will be used to impose further draconian legislation on us.

[Tom]

Also anyone reading this don't take me wrong. I do believe we should move to renewable and alternative energy sources, I do believe we should cut down on pollution and I do believe in protecting the environment. But there is no consensus on man made global warming and I am fully against the introduction of draconian carbon credits / carbon tax.