The Great Global Warming Swindle
#1
Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:33 AM
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This video proves what I've suspected all a long. It is my view that Greenpeace and most environmental organizations (and others, but they are off topic), have been hijacked by socialists and communists, to use as a way to propagate their views.
Have you ever seen a greenpeace, hippie, or whatever rally that did not include people waving communist, anarchist, anarcho-primitivism, and socialist flags? Nope.
They claim that the people who deny global warming are in the pockets of "corporate interests" - this video proves that the exact opposite is true.
#2
Posted 08 October 2008 - 08:20 AM
The way I see it, when you see papers coming from reputable scientists with a history in the field of global climate in reputable journals, it's possibly a reason for concern. Currently, I can't think of any paper that, without obvious flaws in their method or general theory, has demonstrated any sort of evidence contrary to the current general scientific consensus on global climate change. It's generally regarded across science, not only in Environmental Sciences (EPSC/ATOC faculties here), but also across biology, planetary sciences, physics, and chemistry, as basically a fact of life. We do our best to reduce emissions, but global climate change is simply a part of every day life, and we do our best to mitigate our individual effects on our emerging situation. When one is fully prepared to understand the material in front of oneself, the evidence for climate change goes beyond liberal/conservative, beyond left/right, beyond economist/environmentalist, and simply becomes sane/insane. It's not one paper, it's not one person saying one thing, it's a compilation of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of papers all with very valid methods of measuring their respectively important variables and parameters, versus perhaps two dozen papers that consistently say, with simple rhetoric, that everyone else is wrong. There's simply no question anymore on climate change.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 08:27 AM
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 09:16 AM
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 03:33 PM
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:06 PM
Edited by Puppeteer, 08 October 2008 - 04:07 PM.
#7
Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:39 PM
What a hijack, most environmentalists are on the left side of the political spectrum anyway.This video proves what I've suspected all a long. It is my view that Greenpeace and most environmental organizations (and others, but they are off topic), have been hijacked by socialists and communists, to use as a way to propagate their views.
My Political Compass
Sieben Elefanten hatte Herr Dschin
Und da war dann noch der achte.
Sieben waren wild und der achte war zahm
Und der achte war's, der sie bewachte.
#8
Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:41 PM
When I have read what St. Hellen did, empeaching many theories like slow coal creation (there are no hair roots in coal, but it doesn't mean coal can be recreated quickly) when many trees ended in the lake looking like they could grow there and partially changed to coal. Large cannyons looking like those from G Cannyon have been created by one erruption. And 6 times more CO2 has been spread to atmosphere than CO2 produced by people for whole human history! On the other side each erruption produces SOx and fly ash which can reduce temperature blocking sun light by clouds in the stratosphere (! there are no other clouds in such level!). I doubt CO2 could be absorbed due this cold period. Only supervolcano can create ice age so fast.
The fact is man produces too much gook global warming could be enfasten. But when I include erruptions, which aren't unusuall for all the time and little cold age when Black Death stopped peasants from keeping their fields in large amounts because of dying. And temperature dropped till 18th century under normal levels.
But what if that calculation was wrong, most of the CO2 produced by a man comes from the industry, transportation and agriculture. And other main greenhouse gas is methane produced mainly by agriculture and it's in same amounts as CO2. So maybe the forest which are being destroyed (yes, we need more expensive wood from the black market, amazonian gold and diamonds and that Emmenthal forest, erm Amazon forest will be cleaned of the Earth surface, welcome Amazonian desert, sorry Banshee) cannot absorb so much CO2 and CH4 (which is harder to get off). In the conclusion most "human-made" CO2 have been made during 19th and 20th century while CH4 could be count like 4-5 x 20th century productions. And if vulcano SOx and ash fly in the stratosphere long enough (and drops down temperature so), it could be man's (bussinessmen frivolity) failure.
One argument of orthodox "anti-warmers" are also periods in the history of the Earth when the climate was more warm.
Another thing are theories (not only hypothesis) ice ages came on and off very quickly (few decades !) and there are also frozen mammoths or south-American Indians looking like they froze in one moment. (Mammy was eating when died.)
Climatologists made model where global warming progress and 400 years later the Scandinavia has frozen: The temperature drops in Europe, North America and north Asia (ice melted into arctic sea and salinity dropped down so in the result Golf Stream has ended in the Canary Islands) while temperature on the South hemisphere grows up for few centuries.
And if you say atomic power is communistic... Greenpeace experts are for clean, cheap (look in France) Atomic energy and reducing expenses (right-winger). Every party except few small and the Green party (still some actions for Tibet and nothing for Kurds, supporting nacionalistic Turks and Albanians (only nacionalists, communists and sometimes social democrats here are against this Turkish support)) is for the atomic energy (less radiation than in a coal, no CO2). Well maybe atomic energy could be communistic in the beginning, because it's an eysore of coal and oil barons. Atomic energy + hydrogen-burning motors in cars = almost no need of the oil and coal.
Communists, socialists and few others like most of the population are against those stupidities Green party and other similar organizations are engineering. Sun powerplant which produces only a little more energy than was needed on creation of it, similar situation is with wind energy (which is also dangerous to flying animals, cardiacs and frozen ice can hit someone badly, too), biomass contains plenty of the gook from chemical industry which gets to the air and it's not very economical, too (I was in one such PP on an excursion with school). Bio(m)ethanol mixes with petrol or diesel produces more unhealthy waste products than clear substances. Instead of assertion of atomic energy, filtering contraceptional and cure chemicals and other chemicals from the water and soil, the are supporting thin sort of bussinesmen. Food, transporting or living is more expensive not only because of inflation caused by fossil fuel decreasing. That's capitalism. So where do you see commanches here?
USA have partly socialistic economy (giving house to people they couldn't buy it with mortgages) and Bush did very socialistic act (900 G$ from the government to banks, nationalization of the banks), Chavez was true in this (even with that critization of him because of that partly nationalization of oil industry which is recommended by many European politics to keep money in goverment hands, even there isn't practically no economic competition, no competition in one small or medium country). On the other hand this is result of orthodox capitalism (no control of the government upon banks) which is bad like no planning (this happened mostly in this s70051d republik I live in).
So purely capitalistic economy (everyone lives on his own, no help to cr1pl3s, students, poor people and old people) is bad so much as purely socialistic economy (5 year plan successed on 150%, etc.). USA shouldn't be wasting on their BIG things (big cars, big cities, big richness, big poorness), but on the other side Greens should sh0t up uppon atomic energy and they should focus on real ecology (clean air, clean environment, saved animals, mushrooms and plants) instead of that lobby. Hippies are in the roots in some aspects similar to communists (love, no war = socialistic TEORETICAL thesis of side of the peace), but ideals are one thing, reality other, so that's why there was Cold war and it's victims on both sides (South Korean anti-worker detention camps or Greece dictature in 1950's, Pinochet in Chile, Panama invasion, East Timur dictator supported by western countries, Taliban and Al - Quaida created against soviets in Afghanistan x detention camps in the East Block, war in Afghanistan and some bloody deviations like Stalin(ists), Pol-Pot, chinese nationalistic maoistic communism).
People are dying in Africa on illnesses and hunger, but Greens wants biofuels which push prices of the food, no GMO (which is just quicker cultivating) food, and are against atomic energy. This is just right-wingeristic lobby (which means corruption in eyes of the people who voted them). GMO is like cloning, methods similar to cloning would safe western nations from degradetion (infertility, heritage illneses,...), but American puritans are against and what is America against isn't democratical (in modern meaning)...
"Soviet Union was a superpower and each superpower needs at least 1 war at 5 years to keep army in a good condition." ... my grandpa. USA create wars more frequently.
#9
Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:18 PM
There are also the laws,which interdict some things like hemp,which could be easily used as biofuel and used to make reciclable bags.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 10:47 PM
#11
Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:57 AM
What a hijack, most environmentalists are on the left side of the political spectrum anyway.
And why do you think that is? Originally they had no economically political motives back in the past, now it's full of the most far left people you can find, so far left they're loony. People waving anarchist and communist flags, saying "Death to Corporations" and whatnot.
#12
Posted 09 October 2008 - 03:33 AM
Since posting this on another forum, someone agreed and sent these links:
http://www.perc.org/.../article506.php
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 10:16 AM
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 10:54 AM
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 12:41 PM
#16
Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:13 PM
Global Warming is a lie. Its part of a globalist agenda to establish a world government. Global Warming and "carbon management" is just an excuse to head towards bigger governments and more centralisation.
#17
Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:19 PM
My Political Compass
Sieben Elefanten hatte Herr Dschin
Und da war dann noch der achte.
Sieben waren wild und der achte war zahm
Und der achte war's, der sie bewachte.
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:27 PM
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 02:48 PM
#20
Posted 09 October 2008 - 03:32 PM
Really, how could it HURT to try to develop things like clean power etc? Regardless of whether you think that a good deal of climatologists and geomorphologists are wrong, we're likely going to run out of our various power resources eventually, so why not start trying to cut use and emissions early? That way we're not all fucked when people start setting off nukes in the Middle East.
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