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#1 Hexman

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 02:12 PM

What the project team think about put the historicals battles of BFME1 (like helms deep and minas tirith) in the mod?

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 02:22 PM

As in, the campaign? :p

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Posted 25 October 2008 - 03:36 PM

I thought they were in already......
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Posted 25 October 2008 - 03:45 PM

As in, the campaign? ;)

OH :p , I forget :wink_new:
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 12:58 AM

Hello all. After a long hiatus, I've returned!

Anyways. This was an idea I had a while back. I've always thought it would be great to see an area on the main menu where you could select one of the epic battles from BFME1 (Minas Tirith, Black Gate, Helms Deep) and battle it out without having to make a separate save-game at every major battle throughout. Know what I mean?

I'd love to see something like that done. Not standard WotR maps, not campaign but set aside in its own special menu for selection. 'Epic Battles' or something like that. You all remember the ones I'm talking about. The constant waves of enemies in Minas Tirith, with the horns and the non-stop attacking? C'mon.

You can't say that wouldn't be great.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 02:18 AM

I'm pretty sure the current menus are hardcoded...we can change what they say, but not how many options there are or what they do.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 02:02 PM

Still, epic battles is a good idea...
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 05:33 PM

There are already epic battles in the campaing....
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 06:50 PM

But being able to play them at a moment's notice? Better...
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 07:08 PM

well, it wouldn't make much sence to have them playable at any time. :rolleyes:
They are better in the campaing.
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 07:30 PM

YES, IT WOULD!!! :rolleyes:
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 07:42 PM

No, 'cause the battles need some sort of story ;)
It would be a bad idea, to just throw the player in the middle of a big battle, without telling why the battle is taking place
Plus, Yoda_ said it can't be done :cool2:
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 08:10 PM

yoda didn't say you couldn't add epic battles..
only that you can't add a new "section" about epic battles..
you can have them among the other skirmish maps, but eh..
I'll be honest.. That would make the campaign a lot less interesting, and not worthwhile..
The thing I love most about BFME1, is playing through the campaign :cool2: If I could just play all the battles right on, and just play though it, it wouldn't be as interesting..
I don't know if RJ's been able to make it so that units follow through the different battles, but atleast in BFME1 it rocked when you had an army coming in, that already had ranks and the likes... :crazed:

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 08:18 PM

yoda didn't say you couldn't add epic battles..
only that you can't add a new "section" about epic battles..

Thats what I meant :crazed:
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Posted 26 October 2008 - 08:32 PM

Look, I'm not saying throw the character into the middle of a big battle. You play the battle from the beginning to the end. If you don't WANT to go through the campaign and waste your time just to do the siege of Helms Deep or Minas Tirith, then the option for playing an epic battle is THERE, in the skirmish menu. If you don't like the idea, then selecting a different skirmish map is just as easy as selecting one of the epic battle scenes.

It wouldn't be a 'force' thing. What I'm saying is I don't like having to save the game just before the siege of Minas Tirith to be able to go in and play it again by reloading that saved game. If I just want to hop on for thirty minutes and give a run through in Minas Tirith, it should be selectable from the skirmish menu for the player to be able to do so.

This is something I've never seen in another LOTR mod and I think it would draw a lot more people to the mod also.

'EPIC BATTLES SELECTABLE FROM THE SKIRMISH MENU' would be a pretty drawing advertisement, would it not? :D I for one most certainly think it would.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 09:23 PM

It seems that it'd be pretty easy to me (of course, I know little about modding). A little modification to the scripted linear campaign maps would not take too long, and then you just load the map to the skirmish area.

So when you choose which map to play on in skirmish, there's the normal Helm's Deep skirmish map, and then beneath it there is Helm's Deep Epic or something that is scripted.

At least that's what I'm envisioning.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 11:17 PM

Thats what I'm saying, pretty much. You just take the battle from the battle from the campaign and toss it into Skirmish mode. If you still want to play through the campaign, epic! Its still right there. But if you only want to do a single battle, then you can go into skirmish and do it there.

I think it would be a great inclusion, like I said. It'd totally draw a lot of people to RJ-ROTWK. I could remember playing BFME 1, thinking about how awesome it would be if I could select one of the big battles right from the skirmish menu. But I guess its a matter of opinion.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 12:02 AM

Yep, pretty much. Although it would be pretty cool if the campaign had persistent units...
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Posted 27 October 2008 - 12:36 AM

Lauri is right about everything, and units in RJ do carry through.

The issue is whether we want this though. We may make you work to play the big battles :crazed:


Although...I think there'll be at least a Minas Tirith, because rob thought NJM's was too laggy for the campaign.

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 01:26 AM

I don't mind how you guys do it, or even if you guys do it at all. The mod is freaking beautiful, and thats really all there is to say about it. Its this kind of stuff that will more new people. The Arnor addition, the new campaign, the reskins...stuff like that. New units, factions. Thats what really brought me to this mod, honestly.

This would be something you guys could put on a banner.

'FULLY CUSTOMIZED ARNOR! BRAND NEW CUSTOM CAMPAIGN MODE! REVAMPED WAR OF THE RING! NEW UNITS, AND PREVIOUS UNITS RESKINNED! EPIC BATTLES SELECTABLE FROM SKIRMISH MENU!'

How can that honestly NOT attract a die-hard BFME 2 - ROTWK player? Seriously.

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