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[some_weirdGuy]

delete please

Edited by some_weirdGuy, 30 May 2010 - 10:27 AM.

[Vortigern]

I have to say, I do like this character. I have a couple of problems with it, however. First, I don't like the concept of being totally immortal. I mean, my character is an elf but can still be killed in combat. Whereas this guy, apparently, can't. Secondly, I'm not sure how well an evil virtually-undead mage would fit in with our gallant band of heroes. Of course, you're welcome to try, but if you don't think you can handle that then I'd suggest a different character.

By the way, by 'Kriss' do you mean one of the weird-looking swords with the fat handle? From some forgotten part of the world, like, Indonesia, or somewhere?

[some_weirdGuy]

A kriss is a wave'y knife, if you get what i mean?(not straight, but... wiggly)

and yeah, i dont mean that he's totally immortal... my orginal thinking(though i didn't really think much on it) was cant die of old age or weapons, but can be killed by magic, now that i think about it that seems a bit god modd'y...

now i have a different idea, im gonna make him have to 'suck out people life force'... almost like a non-blood sucking vampire as long as he keeps sucking out people life he stays young, and wont get old.

i'll make it that if he doesn't 'feed' he ages very quickly, and if he's too late he dies.
also, he can be hurt like normal people, but when he 'feeds' his wounds heal really quickly.

and about him not fitting in... i'll make him like really insane, split personalities and everything. Some will be evil and some just plain nuts, other may even be friendly. He'll be almost like the lesser of two evils, no one will really like him, but he is useful so for now they allow him to stick around.

[Vortigern]

I'm not a fan of the life-sucking thing. Multiple personalities is great, that'd make an excellent plot device and such, but sucking the life-force out of people to stay young is not something I want to allow. Sorry. That's a bit too godmoddish as well, in my view, as it strikes me that your guy would probably, in a fit of evil personality, kill all our group by sucking their life out before they can defend themselves, and that's both a serious plot hole and an extreme godmod. Maybe if you said he could regenerate, sort of, by eating the flesh/heart/other specific organ of those he kills, that might work.

Actually, new idea, he could be a genuinely undead human. The demon tricked him and granted him immortality by killing him and reanimating his corpse, which will 'live' indefinitely (unless of course it gets killed). However, the extra focus gained by being dead (no more desires of the flesh or whatever) meant that his magical power increased significantly, but he can only stop his body from decaying by drinking the blood/eating the flesh of those he kills. And the kriss is an enchanted blade that kills people in a ritual manner so that Zhar can use their bodies. That's not too different, overall, to your first idea, but would fit a bit better, I think. You can still have him being totally nuts and with several personalities of varying evil.

[some_weirdGuy]

sucking the life-force out of people to stay young is not something I want to allow. Sorry. That's a bit too godmoddish as well, in my view, as it strikes me that your guy would probably, in a fit of evil personality, kill all our group by sucking their life out before they can defend themselves, and that's both a serious plot hole and an extreme godmod.

he's not suppose to be that powerful!

Actually, new idea, he could be a genuinely undead human. The demon tricked him and granted him immortality by killing him and reanimating his corpse, which will 'live' indefinitely (unless of course it gets killed). However, the extra focus gained by being dead (no more desires of the flesh or whatever) meant that his magical power increased significantly, but he can only stop his body from decaying by drinking the blood/eating the flesh of those he kills. And the kriss is an enchanted blade that kills people in a ritual manner so that Zhar can use their bodies. That's not too different, overall, to your first idea, but would fit a bit better, I think. You can still have him being totally nuts and with several personalities of varying evil.

this gives me a new idea which might be even better then my old one anyway...

so yeah, like you said, he is undead, and just like when a necromancer brings back the dead he is a servant, the demon is his master.
He has to make tributes to the demon lord, so killing people and damning them to hell, in exchange for keeping him alive. The kriss is a demonic ritual blade, used as part of the enchantment.

when he kills people he takes their magical energy, while the demon gets their soul. So therefore he must kill people to stay alive, and on rare occasions must obey the demons will directly
(thats why he joins with the group... im guessing we are going to kill that evil guy controlling the paladins? well then we can just say that the demon lord wants his soul... now, and has demanded that Zhar 'get him')

so zhar has no choice, its sorta a spiteful relationship, zhar hates the demon but cant do anything against it as the demon holds his life in the palm of his hand. He feels cheated and frustrated that he is so powerless and that his 'gift' was bitter sweet in that fact that he got immortality, but at the price of eternal servitude.

also he's crazy, so yeah

what about that?

[Vortigern]

I'll settle for that. Well played, good sir. Approved, ye be. Now let's get this show on the road.

[some_weirdGuy]

tally-ho! let us proceed chaps

[some_weirdGuy]

I decided to make Zhar older.

[Rafv Nin IV]

I understand that demonic possession is an effective way of concealing one's age. Thank you, Zhar, for speaking the truth about how many seasons you've seen. However, I commend you for discovering a more effective way of age-changing than cosmetics.

[some_weirdGuy]

Yes, and it only costs you a life of misery and eternal damnation after you live out 666 years of servitude at the demonic lords wish.

This can be paid in three simple installments of 1/3 of an eternal damnation, but this offer is only for a limited time! act now!

[Vortigern]

No way, man. Change it back, or to something else, but I'm not having 666 brought up in my RP. First off, Zhar is not in thrall to the devil, and secondly, this is a whole different world now, there is no Christianity, no Bible, no Satan, no 666. Make it so that he's got 12 years left until 500 years of service are complete, that'll satsify everyone, I dare say. Also, remember that he would not have gone into servitude immediately upon his birth, so his age would reflect that, maybe add 30 years to however long he's been a slave, but there is to be no using of any kind of reference to 666. Nothing at all.

[Taralom]

maybe add 30 years to however long he's been a slave, but there is to be no using of any kind of reference to 666. Nothing at all.

Amen to that!

I'm sorry, SWG, but 666 is fun in normal life, but not in RPG's.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Zhar isn't 666 years old, if you'll look above. SWG and I were merely cracking some fairly lame jokes.

[Vortigern]

I'm guessing you missed the part in the storyline thread where SWG said he has only 12 years of servitude left, which would make him 666 years old when he becomes free. I'm not having that in my RP. I have no problem with the jokes, merely the subject matter, should it be taken too seriously.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Having now reread the last few posts, I understand.

[some_weirdGuy]

He is so in the thrall of the 'devil'.

Who else did you expect the lord of all demons to be?
The devil is just the christian name for him. Call him Seth, call him Mephisto, Diablo, Beelzebub. Whatever, they all refer to the same being.
He could be called Peggy Sue in the religion followed by Arsencians, it doesn't matter

See, although admittedly its a little obscure, i wrote:

you will serve me. in the end you will plead, begging me to take away what you had so sought to attain, and when you become of age, when the years spell out the number that is my own, i will grant you your wish, and i will take you to your destiny... in hell"

That is the demon lord speaking. The number of the demon lord(aka devil) has always been six hundred and sixty six.
I didn't think you had any problem with it as you didn't say anything, are you devout christian or something?

Also, remember that he would not have gone into servitude immediately upon his birth, so his age would reflect that, maybe add 30 years to however long he's been a slave,

This is explained above^ its not six hundred and sixty six years of servitude, its six hundred and sixty six years of life. That includes before he was under the demons power.

And yes, i know there is no christianity, but whats wrong with that as a reference? the demons im thinking of aren't just from the christian religion though.
I was thinking something more like the game of diablo, it has the three brothers who are the demon lords, and there are many different demons who have the names from various religions (eg. the three brothers are Diablo, Mephisto and Baal)

I have no problem with the jokes, merely the subject matter, should it be taken too seriously.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean that you dont want a 666 reference cause some people might get all up in arms about it?

I dont really get whats so wrong with it
(its only a tiny reference anyway, its not like Zhar goes waving six hundred and sixty six in everyones face. This is the first time he even mentioned it, and even then he didn't actually say the number. It just seemed like the most fitting number to have for a demon summoning mage bound in servitude to the lord of hell until his time is up, to have)

[Vortigern]

No, I want it gone because it's a faux-goth cuntnugget of a reference, and it's wrong. The number of the devil is actually 616, it says that somewhere in the Bible.

Call him Seth, call him Mephisto, Diablo, Beelzebub.

I'd like to point out that these four are not the same as the devil. Seth was the third son of Adam and Eve, after Cain and Abel, Mephistopheles is the demon from Dr. Faustus, and semantically his name suggests that he is nothing more than a parody of Lucifer. Diablo is just Spanish for devil, not a name at all, and Beelzebub is a fallen angel, though in his incarnation as Ba'al he is a malevolent god. That's the closest you've got. I'd like to add that Daeva, the Zoroastrian name for the leading evil spirit, is the closest throughout history, although Angra Mainyu, also Zoroastrian, though specific this time, is also pretty close. I believe Daeva is where the word 'Devil' first came from, as we're on this.

666 is said in the Bible to be "the number of a man", but associated with the beast. What that association is the Bible never says. Also, it's probably just because 666 is a crazy-awesome number. For example: 666 is a square number, a triangle number and the 6th number of the sequence n²(n² + 1) / 2. Furthermore, there are 121 prime numbers below 666, and 121 is the square of the number of prime numbers below 36, the square root of 666. There's also a load of other stuff, I suggest you look it up if you're at all mathsy.

And no, I am not a christian. I am an atheist, straight up and pure and simple. However, I am also a historian, a linguist, a theologist, a mythologist and a stickler for the truth in these matters.

One last thing: Zhar is not in thrall to the devil. The devil does not exist in Arsencia. I'm going to go out on a limb here and explain something I would rather have kept to myself. There are demons and hells and whatnot, but the only true divine being is the Eternal, which offered salvation and a second chance to Winter Vayu, and told Theria to go to Temora and then helped her destroy the Vyre. That is all there is, and Zhar is not in thrall to that. I'm not going to tell you what Zhar is actually a slave to, but I can guarantee you it's not the devil. As owner of this RP, this is me putting my foot down on this matter.

[some_weirdGuy]

Also, it's probably just because 666 is a crazy-awesome number

QFT

The number of the devil is actually 616, it says that somewhere in the Bible.

well you learn something new every day.

I'd like to point out that these four are not the same as the devil. Seth was the third son of Adam and Eve, after Cain and Abel, Mephistopheles is the demon from Dr. Faustus, and semantically his name suggests that he is nothing more than a parody of Lucifer. Diablo is just Spanish for devil, not a name at all, and Beelzebub is a fallen angel, though in his incarnation as Ba'al he is a malevolent god. That's the closest you've got. I'd like to add that Daeva, the Zoroastrian name for the leading evil spirit, is the closest throughout history, although Angra Mainyu, also Zoroastrian, though specific this time, is also pretty close. I believe Daeva is where the word 'Devil' first came from, as we're on this.

They represent the same sort of role as a malevolent being and/or ruler of the 'underworld'. Which is what the devil is.
Also, i was referring to Egyptian god Seth, god of chaos and evil (and its funny how much they demonised him. When egypt had two sides(upper and lower) the loosing sides god of choice was Seth, who back then wasn't a god of evil and chaos at all. its a very good case of )

there are a crap load of gods that could be called the equivilent of the devil(or are just another name for the devil).

Loki, Hel, Baal, Seth, Anubis, Sokar, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Devil, Diablo, Mephisto, Belial, Asmodeus, Satan, Erlik. Just to name a few.

and you are very wrong about mephisto:

Mephisto or Mephistopheles is one of the chief demons of European literary tradition.

and yes diablo is the spanish translation for devil, but still is another name for the devil, which is what i was saying it was.

One last thing: Zhar is not in thrall to the devil. The devil does not exist in Arsencia.

i completely agree. Im just saying the Lord of all Demons is ofcaorse the 'equivalent' of the devil, who is the lord of all demons in the christian religion.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and explain something I would rather have kept to myself. There are demons and hells and whatnot, but the only true divine being is the Eternal, which offered salvation and a second chance to Winter Vayu, and told Theria to go to Temora and then helped her destroy the Vyre. That is all there is, and Zhar is not in thrall to that. I'm not going to tell you what Zhar is actually a slave to, but I can guarantee you it's not the devil. As owner of this RP, this is me putting my foot down on this matter.

you say this as if its new but i swear you have already told us this. Atleast i already knew. The Eternal is the equivalent of 'god'. You are talking as if you see god and the devil as the same being with the 'and Zhar is not in thrall to that'. Ofcaorse he is not, The Demon Lord holds that, not the Eternal.

(and i still think you should have had the demon lord bring Vayu back, it would have been interesting for Zhar and Vayu to be forced to work together and be like: 'hey, you killed me! lord do i ahve to work with him?' 'no i didn't... i didn't give the death blow. besides what are you complaining about, you're still here anyway')

And whatever, the Demon lord is not the 'Devil', he just fills the same role (lord of Demons and Ruler of Hell) and so by my definition is the devil.
so dont really see the difference, but whatever floats your boat.

Now, seen as the 'Number of the Devil' is actually 616, i am making the number of this 'Demon Lord' 666.
(yeah, thats right, left that loop hole wide open didn't you )

[Vortigern]

No, actually, I didn't. I think you'll remember that this is my RP, and I'm saying there is to be no use of the number 666 in relation to demons. That is final. Get rid of the reference.

Loki, Hel, Baal, Seth, Anubis, Sokar, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Devil, Diablo, Mephisto, Belial, Asmodeus, Satan, Erlik.

Right, let's begin.

Loki: He was also involved in several positive actions, and for a while was actually helping the other gods, not hindering them. Though he did ultimately betray them and cause Ragnarok, the devil is supposed to be pure evil, not whimsical evil. Loki is an entirely different character to the devil. In fact, the closest to Loki in any mythology with which I am familiar is Eris, the Greek goddess of mischief. My cat was named after her.

Hel: Goddess of the underworld in Norse mythology. Daughter of Loki with the jötunn Angrboða (pronounced like 'anger-bother'). To quote one of history's foremost mythologists, Jacob Grimm, of Brothers Grimm fame: "Hel is the image of a greedy, unrestoring, female deity. The higher we are allowed to penetrate into our antiquities, the less hellish and more godlike may Hel appear." So that puts Hel out of the picture.

Baal: In Hebrew Ba'al means false god. Interesting opening point, I thought. Anyway, Ba'al was the name of several gods across various mythi, and in most of those Ba'al was not an evil deity. Ba'al of Tyre, the first recorded instance of Ba'al, was pretty much their version of God. He was a benevolent, omnipotent deity, and that doesn't sound much like Lucifer to me. The only reason Ba'al has any negative connotations is because of the contemporary Jews who refused to allow another religion alongside their own. Damn Jews, eh?

Set: First off, the Egyptian deity is named Set, not Seth. The 'th' is a mistake in translation to Greek. Admittedly, Set was the god of deserts, storms and chaos, though, paradoxically, his name means 'pillar of stability'. Set was not a good guy, I can't spin this one. Interestingly, though, the Set-animal, which may have been an aardvark, a jackal or a dog of some form, nobody's really sure, was found on the decorated mace-head of the real Scorpion King, so fuck you, Dwayne Johnson and Anubis.

Anubis: God of the dead. Not evil, just tricksy and lives in the underworld. He was more commonly associated with life, happiness and rebirth.

Sokar: I assume you're thinking of the Stargate character. Seker, the Egyptian form, is not even a god. It's a process involved in mummification. It was "the deification of the act of separating the soul from the Ka", essentially a physical act to release the spirit from the body.

Lucifer: Actually the Devil. This one doesn't count. Lucifer was his name before he fell.

Beelzebub: We covered this above. See my previous post. Not the devil.

Devil/Diablo: Just a word, not a name.

Mephisto: You dug your own grave this time. I appreciate that, thanks. Mephisto is one of the chief demons of European literary tradition. Mephisto is not real, or even as real as Lucifer may or may not be. Mephisto was created for a fantasy novel written in the middle ages, some centuries after the Bible, and some millennia after the Torah.

Belial: The demon of lies and guilt and a prince of hell, but not the devil. Undoubtedly evil, but only a sidekick to the main event, as it were.

Asmodeus: We're getting better as we move along. Asmodeus was the King of Hell, though, again, not the devil. He was also the demon of lust. There is no way to avoid stating that Asmodeus is just as evil as Lucifer, but the two are not the same.

Satan: This one cracks me up. It's just a title, not a name. It means 'obstruction' in ancient Greek. Look it up if you can.

Erlik: I hadn't come across Erlik before, so here's my research. Erlik was the Turkish god of the dead and the underworld, and was indeed thoroughly evil. I'll give you this one. Bastard Turks have no redeeming features.

Anyway, hopefully that's put you in your place.

And no, the being to which Zhar is enslaved is not the Lord of all Demons, or anything like that. He's a powerful entity, certainly, but he is not in charge. The Eternal is in charge, and represents both sides, being good and evil and indeed everything in between. So yeah, the Eternal is both God and the Devil here. Your 'demon' does not fill the role of overseer of the damned, or anything like that.

Here's the thing: there are no 'demons', as such. There is just the Eternal. What you think are demons are merely the immortal enchained remains of history's most powerful magi. It's one of them who has Zhar in thrall, not the Eternal. I hope that settles this.

[Rafv Nin IV]

Bastard Turks have no redeeming features.

They eat meat.