This is not a vendetta or anything, but i think i should write this now so its already here in case the subject ever comes in on again, or so if you ever discuss with me on history, you dont become ridiculous.
You may remember that one of the points i discussed with someone we all know before, was Argentinian History. You may as well remember, that he mentioned that in the last century, the government was a battle between the conservative party and liberal party. And you may remember my reply, saying i couldnt teach him Argentinian history every time he posted. You may also remember the socialist politics took after the 1929 crisis. Ok, dont take this as an offense. Ill write a short historical document about Argentina since 1829. Just so its clear, and you have a better database in which you can base your speechs (maybe we should do this about USA and UK as well).
In 1829, after an Unitarist experiment, there was a dictator, called Juan Manuel de Rosas, who postponed the organization of the central state, and rules in favour of his burguesy partners. His intentions were clearly directed towards defending the autonomy of the most rich state, Buenos Aires, and the intervention of all the rest. It was stabilizing, but extremely opressive. with an interruption in 1832-1835, it lasted until Rosas´ death in 1852, at the hands of a rebel general, Urquiza. In 1852, a Confederation was organized, separatedly to the independant State of Buenos Aires. Both of the states wrote new constitutions. The confderation´s ambition to add Buenos Aires city as capital, conducted them to create a law that allowed them to take the city by any means. The confederation wins the battle in 1859, however Urquiza is defeated two years later, but not fully. The Buenos Aires is incorporated into the Confederation (actually, you can say its the opposite).
The first elected president of this era, was Bartolome Mitre. From the Liberal Party. Then he was suceeded by Domingo F. Sarmiento, and Nicolas Avellaneda. These presidencies are known as the three historical presidencies in which the central state is consolidated.
Then there is a period known as the oligarquic regime, which is from 1880-1916, in which the same party, the Autonomist Nacionalist Party, which was result of a division of the liberal party (quite the opposite of liberal), merged with the nacionalists. The Liberal Party dissapears in 1989 , with the appearance of the Civical Union, led by Mitre and masons, catholics, and other opposed factions. All these governments of the ANP, were politically directed to the same social class as Rosas´ one. However, one of the most admirable elements in the 20th century, Roque Saenz Peña, created a law, in which the rules of democracy were changed in such a way, that the fraud regime imperant until then couldnt continue anymore.
The Civical Union mentioned before, had splitted some years after in the Nacional Civical Union and Radical Civical Union. The first one offered a coalition to the second one in the beginning of the century, so this one split into coalitionists and indiferents. This second faction was the one elected in 1916. (The opposition consisted of the Socialist party (the opposite faction of the RCU) and the emerged Conservative party, from the ashes of the ANP, in the 0s decade)
The president, Hipolito Yrigoyen, made quite of an impact in the lower classes, because of his reformist politics towards labor and universities, plus nationalization of oil. After a goverment of one of his party companions, Alvear, he took the power again in 1928. However, his figure was very different than a normal politician: he didnt pronounce speechs, and he was hidden in mystery. There were worker incidents during his governments, which were repressed, so his politics can be considered progresist.
The case is that when the 1929 crisis came to Argentina in 1930, the Oligarcs made ties with the army, AND with UK and USA. All of them, supported a military strike that would start the black period of Argentinian History, and possibly what would become its cancer. The dictatorships.
General Uriburu assumes power in 1930. HIs ideology radicates on extreme fascism, he admires Mussolini. The conservative partners didnt share his beliefs though. The other General that had a part in the revolution, Agustin Justo, took the power. His political ideas were based onto conservadurism, and his cabinet was composed of the Conservatives, the Independent Socialists (who had became moderated, and should have been called centralists...), and the Antipersonalist RCUs (A faction of the RCU which was opposed to Yrigoyen). In 1931, Argentina signs a pact with UK, in which UK accords to keep buying meat, with a great number of conditions. The economical fate, was totally influenced by UK, the biggest market, and USA the bigges capital provider - Since the 20s, Argentina extensively bought machinery from USA rather than UK).
Democracy is back in 1938, with a low industrialization, and an already 80 year lasting periferical board hanging in the head of the country, with Roberto Ortiz, by fraud. However this president (possibly one of the few honest ones in the last 100 years...) tried to fight fraud by all possible means. He was sick nontheless, and power went to the vicepresident, a conservative, who looked forward to establish his own base of power. He was called Ramon Castillo. The case is, he was took down by the army in 1943, for various reasons that arent worth to mention. The Conservative Party died, and P.P. Ramirez assumed the presidence then, which would be resigned to Farrell later. Meanwhile, the most known Argentinian political figure, and quite possibly its biggest problem, was working from an insignificant government institution called the Secretary of Work and Prevision. You may have already guessed his name, Juan Domingo Perón. He created a world of laws protecting workers, however, those laws were designed to solve problems he created himself. So he influenced a problem, so he could afterwards appear as the perfect mediator. That was the structure of his politics during his posterior presidence. His politics were directed to demagougery and populism, howeverm not socialism: His followers were sindicalists, enemies to death of socialists, and of course, right-sided. The economy went well in his first period, but dissastrously bad in the second one. Before he was proposed as a candidate, the Argentinian Army was forced to arrest him, because of international pressures, Peron´s speech was fearing for the capitalist occident, even if his politics were taking consideration of a nationalist capitalism. When he was in government, nontheless, he continued a neutralist position, being identically as close to USA as to the USSR
In 1955, with the army against him, as well as the middle and high classes, and after several army attacks on the city, and the consequent sindicalist responses (burning of churches and RCU buildings princpially), and as a consequence of the conflict created between Peron and the Church, the army takes the power again, in what was called the freeing revolution. Peron is exiled to Spain for more than 15 years then. The following period, establishes two military transitions and two RCU democratic governments, the first one, was based onto transnationalization of economy and industrial developing from foreign investments (which were all short term and meant a high profit for investors), conceeding all types of benefits to foreign corporations. It was took down in a brief while. Then a center-left nationalist, coming from the second wing of the RCU assumed, Arturo Illia, who may be possibly the most honest president in the last 60 years.
His politics were based onto undoing every oil contract the previous president, Frondizi had made with foreign corporations, since the nation didnt advance quite much, while its resources were drained. The economy during this period, went raising excellently. However, a new commander in chief of the army ( which had became so in some sort of internal war in the army itself), Onganía assumed power, destituting Illia.
Onganía started the repressive tendence, with a fascist-tendent army. His government was, again concessive to foreign corporations. It looked like an Oligaquical one, but with greater repression. Then by several reasons (popular rebellions included), the government passes to Levingston, then to Lanusse). In this period, two terrorist movements come in the story: One is a marxist guerrilla called the ERP, the second one is a group of youngsters which see in Peron an exiled leader which would lead to soviet revolution. They called themsevles the Peronist Youngsters, which would later take the name of Montoneros. The case is, democracy came back, even though Lanusse banned Peron from being able to be a candidate. However, who won the elections, Hector Cámpora, resigned a brief period after, unbanning Peron. (This move is unexplained: it isnt known if the resignation was intentional or not). Peron comes to become president again, mainly thanks to the resistance of the leftist Montoneros. However, when he assumes power, this faction, and the sindicalists clash, and Peron supports the sindicalists, the right sided wing of peronism. Peron dies one year after, with the country in an economical distress, and with his plan failed. His 3rd wife assumes, and is kicked out by the army one year after, as her government took the shape of a disaster.
This last military government was conformed by a joint of the three weapons, the Army, the Navy and the Air Force. The Army General assumed the presidence, and started a regime which was based on the doctrine of national security: Closely followed by USA, this doctrine was inflicted into every dictatorship in Latinamerica in this historical period. The base thought is the combat of fortuit ideologies, such as socialism, marxism and communism, plus the defense of national integrity at all costs. This doctrine may be the cause of the Falklands War, the Statal Terrorism and the actual External Debt.
The Statal Terrorism is the repression which included tortures, kidnapping, murder, children stealing, and many other violation of human rights. In its ambition to fight communism, the military forces, (which had already an extremely high anticomunist thought, touching nazism itself) proceeded to excess and abuse power. Kidnapping of persons, not only of communists, but of their friends, parents, or even friends of friends was common coin
The Falkalnds war, was caused by the exacerbated nacionalism. The people actually were for it, it was a smart cover for the enormous economical problem the country was passing through, after the failed economical plan which took most of the people´s deposits, or exchanged it with statal papers. The countries debt increased by 45,000 million dollars, because of the buying of weapons and ammunition, principally to the USA. The result of the war, was practically devastating, and the one that caused the fall of the regime.
In 1983, democracy was restored. President Raul Alfonsin was too pressured by the military members. He had to make some laws regarding amnisty be accepted in the leguslative power, else his government would have probably been taken out again. In 1989, a great degflation causes difumination of bank accounts, or paper exchange, in what consisted of an "economical strike" by the Justicialist party, of neoliberal ideology, and descendent of Peróns populism and right-sided afiction.
President Menem had privatized during the 90´s, every single statal service company, and of course, the money for that sale went to his own accounts, or other politician accounts. His acts also include weapon traffic to Ecuador and Croatia, corruption...and convertibility. The idea of one peso (argentinian coin) = 1 dollar was possibly a benefit for its friends businesses. Two years after he left, in 2001, during De La Ruas government (RCU´s, yet another corrupt one) there was a 200% devaluation with no salary adjustment, and there was bank deposit capture again (3rd time in history), then what might be called a popular rebellion, with destruction and robberies of markets in mass, in what can be called another economical strike. Eduardo Duhalde assumes the presidence, completes the period, then Nestor Kirchner assumes in 2003. The politics of the current government are untransigent, in fact, its a certain demagougery, and government acts are not exposed, since the media is very busy covering sport or corruption cases, constituting a total cover of what the government is doing.
I guess thats quite syntethized. I omitted a lot of detailes, but hey, i could write all this off my head in an hour!
My points here that i want to clarify:
1) Whomever said that the government was a fight between liberals and conservatives during the last century, has definitely no clue on Argentinian History. As you can see here, THERES A DIFFERENCE OF MORE THAN 20 YEARS BETWEEN THE DEATH OF ONE OF THE PARTIES, AND THE CREATION OF THE OTHER ONE.
2) The inmediate government after the 1929 crisis, was conservative, right sided, MILITARY. Its measures were benefitting to USA AND UK, therefore NOT SOCIALIST
3) If the meant government was Perons, watch the paragraph again, HIS POWER WAS BASED ON SINDICALIST SUPPORT: SINDICALISTS ARE NOT SOCIALISTS, THEIR REQUESTS INCLUDE PRIVATE CAPITAL.
4) The external debt´s 17% was gotten during the dictatorship, while buying weapons to USA. THE OTHER 83% WAS SUPPOSEDLY CONSEQUENCE OF THE CREDITS IN THE 90S WHEN THE COIN EQUALLED THE DOLLAR. A DEBT OF 250,000 MILLION DOLLARS CANNOT BECOME EXISTANT IN JUST 8 YEARS, WITHOUT A SINGLE INTERNATIONAL NOTICE.
5) The constitution exists since the XIX century, however due to military governments, its value was ripped and scratched (all except Ongania´s). WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF FOR SOME REASON, THERE WERE MORE POPULAR REBELLIONS BECAUSE OF THE VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION IN REPEATED OCASIONS? CHOOSE: CIVIL WAR OR ANARCHY?
6) The bank deposits that flew away about a year ago, did so because the central bank became empty. THE REASON IS THAT FOREIGN BANKS (MAJORITY OF THE ESTABLISHED ONES), RETIRED GREAT QUANTITIES OF MONEY, AND GAVE NO TIME TO IT TO STABILIZE, WHICH INDICATES COLLABORISM, BETWEEN AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN BANKS; AND THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.
7) Level of life will not grow, since salaries didnt grow, and prices did. The coins level is fake, the government still controls its value according to what is needed, the difference with the rest of the world, is that its done deliberatedly.
8) The kidnappings and insecurity (which grew 1250% (!) in the last 10 years, ARE A METHOD OF SCAREING THE PEOPLE; WHICH HAS BEEN DONE FOR ALREADY 40 YEARS IN EVERY COUNTRY IN LATIN AMERICA; OR A METHOD FOR FUNDING AN ARMY OR A GUERRILLA: If thats fake, go look at the way the FARC subventions its war efforts.
9) THE MULTIPLE ANTIAMERICANIST SPEECH MADE BY MANY COUNTRIES (Venezuela, I.E), IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE DOCTRINE OF NACIONAL SECURITY, AND THE EXTERNAL DEBT THAT GREW UNEXPLAINEDLY IN THE LAST YEARS IN MOST COUNTRIES. THATS SOMETHING CALLED NEOCOLONIALISM. THE EXCERCISE OF THE SOBERANY OF A NATION WITHOUT THE EXISTANCE OF AN OFFICIAL COLONIAL GOVERNMENT, VIA ECONOMICAL CONTROL, INSTEAD OF MILITARY.
10) The worst thing: Groups of power, are unescrupulous and unfair corporation owners and mafia leaders, and unescrupulous and pretentious unemployed workers. THE ONLY GROUP WITHOUT POWER, ARE THE VANISHED MIDDLE CLASSES, WHICH ARE THE MOST AFFECTED BY THE ECONOMICAL MEASURES, AND THE WORKING PROVNICIALS AND WORKERS THAT ARE NOT AFFILIATED TO ANY SINDICATES, WHICH ARE DYING OF HUNGER.
Thats enough i think. The reason some parts are wrote in caps, its because they are worth to signal as definition or empiric data. I would have made them bold instead, but its a pain to bolden so many parts.
Well, hope you learn something by reading this, hope it serves
