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#41 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:48 AM

It's entirely for balance purposes. But you are right, viewed abstractly it doesn't make much sense. But then again, so do many of the things in the game.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 12:37 PM

Gondor would get owned in a lot of matchups if them Gondor soldiers didn't come out.. Especially isen.. Amd archers cost like 250-300 so there a problem as well.. Like Gothmog says it's all for Balance.. people said the same thing when they asked why are orc warriors free?
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 03:28 PM

Well, It kinds makes sense doesn't it, the soldiers of Gondor are their basic infantry, while for Mordor, they are orcs, and Soldiers of Rhun are just allies which, would make it harder to get for Mordor instead of Gondor getting... well... Gondor Soldiers.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:46 PM

...Rhun soldiers come from the Haradrim Palace. :p And orcs are practically free.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:52 AM

So from what I understand Gondor soldiers cost only a hundred, yet more dominant than Rhun swordsmen, obviously stronger than peasants and about the same strength as men of the westfold? Correct? If yes, than the price does not make any sense, i mean if you wanna make the game balanced why not put them to an elite ish place and give Gondor something like militia battalion for the first basic unit that would be about the same as Rohan peasants and would cost around 100 - 150... ? I mean that would make sense wouldn't it or at least increase the price of soldiers of Gondor to 2 hundies ar least, I mean since I'm a big fan of mordor I feel abused by the mighty gondorian soldiers costing 3 times less than my good, but outmatched soldiers of Rhun... I mean I do understand that they are stronger ( better trained, equipped, blooded ) - according to films/books, but cheaper??? bloody hell - that's just sad :-(

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 12:55 AM

Well, It kinds makes sense doesn't it, the soldiers of Gondor are their basic infantry, while for Mordor, they are orcs, and Soldiers of Rhun are just allies which, would make it harder to get for Mordor instead of Gondor getting... well... Gondor Soldiers.

HHmmm yeah, but cheaper and stronger; and more expensive and weaker - just doesn't make sense to me sorry ...

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 01:11 AM

You have a point there they are to cheap.


 

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 01:14 AM

To cut this conversation to an end, in GtO's words:
The new balance will surprise you.
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Posted 06 August 2009 - 09:41 AM

To cut this conversation to an end, in GtO's words:
The new balance will surprise you.
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Yeah I can see that it already surprises me, but as you can tell not in a good way - I mean I seriously don't see how it is balanced if Gondor is so dominant - and now I see they have Aragorn too with Gandalf and 100 dollar soldiers and 200 dollar spearmen, who I bet no worse than of Rhun... Correct??? :p

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 02:33 PM

Well Aragorn isn't to powerful he takes forever to swing his sword at someone.


 

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 04:05 PM

I'm sorry that you feel Gondor is overpowered or has an unfair advantage. All I can tell you is that in my testing of the mod thus far I have seen nothing to suggest that Gondor is overpowered or has an unfair advantage.

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 02:29 AM

I'm sorry that you feel Gondor is overpowered or has an unfair advantage. All I can tell you is that in my testing of the mod thus far I have seen nothing to suggest that Gondor is overpowered or has an unfair advantage.

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Yeah but one hundred dollar soldiers and two hundred dollar spearmen? Why don't you just increase the price? Or simply add a new militia unit before you can buy soldiers? I mean I'm sure there would be hundreds of lads who would agree with me...

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 02:58 AM

Well even though Gondor soldiers are powerful, Mordor has more LD and i mean a lot of it.


 

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Posted 07 August 2009 - 05:21 AM

Well to put this discussion to an end, it doesn't matter one bit what any number of lads think. It only matters what I think. And it is my opinion that this is just a game, it is not very true to real life or to the world of middle earth, and that it doesn't really matter one bit if soldiers and spearmen cost less or more. I've done what I've done so that the Gondor faction relies on soldiers for the bulk of their army (at least for the early/middle game) just like in the movies and books. These soldiers must be balanced against the other factions starting units as well as at an appropriate price so that the Gondor player can buy them with their economy. I feel, just like EA did, that 100 is an appropriate value given these considerations.

Ultimately if you disagree you are welcome to change it on your copy of the mod if and when you download it. However the version that I release publicly will have 100 cost Gondor Soldiers.

Thanks for sharing your feelings about the mod and the balance. I don't want to sound too harsh when I say the above and I hope you understand that. It is just that my decision is final.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 10:54 AM

Gto,I wonder do the units take all upgrades early?Or they dont take upgrades?

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:34 PM

Not quite sure what you are asking... can you reword it maybe? :p

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 06:41 PM

Not quite sure what you are asking... can you reword it maybe? :p

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Of course :p I said that when we play against ai,are the units(used by ai) taking all upgrades in ur mod?

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 08:35 PM

They do upgrade with fire arrows but not much with armor or blades.


 

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:06 PM

if u have all upgrades taken by ai in early game,dont the game become better?So,the mod will be harder than now.And so the game will be funnier than now.

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Posted 09 August 2009 - 08:30 PM

Be that as it may, I don't know enough about the AI to do that. Could I learn, yes, but I don't have time or desire. The AI is vastly improved over the vanilla bfme, that's going to have to be good enough.

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