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#1 GothmogtheOrc

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 03:28 PM

This thread is for general discussion of the mod, faction strategies, and anything else.

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#2 Ring o' Fate

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 07:15 AM

Ahem, I'd like to start it off with a (Somewhat :) ) good guide to Rohan.

Early game: It's game start now, and you can go in 3 ways depending on a few factors.
1: if you are on a map like Amon Hen or something, get Draft, Gamling, and Merry. Build a farm, or if a Settlement plot is near your base, take that instead. Now rush the enemy with army of peasants. And back them up with heroes.
2: If you don't have starting troops, get Merry and heal (just in case he finds some enemies), and have him creep hunt and get Settlements. A level 4 Merry is great for killing pesky heroes. Build lots of farms, get some heroes for defense, and you can save up for either cavalry or infantry.
Or 3: This one doesn't matter if you have troops at the start. Just build farms, but save 2 plots for a Stables/Archery range and an Armory.

Mid game: Now, depending on what path you chose from above, you will likely need to do the following...
1: If you went with the first option, you obviously failed in Peasant Rushing. But you probably got a decent amount of Power Points. Get the Elven Barracks or the Elven Summon. Elves are VERY important to you. In large numbers they can overwhelm an enemy. Get at least 3-4 Batts of Elves, and if you got the Elven barrack and if possible, back them up with Haldir. Get an Armory and get the upgrades. The "forged blades" for the elves makes them stronger, so they will be important to destroying an enemy base.
2: If you went with option two, you probably have a decent amount of heroes (hopefully leveled up a bit). Now get the cavalry or infantry (I personally prefer cav, but the choice is yours), and get an armory. The Banner is a VITAL, and I repeat, VITAL part of your army, it's cheap, and levels up your guys, which thus adds a damage, armor, and such bonus. And who DOESN'T want that? And if you got cav, the "forged blades" can be a great addition later in the game. And the heavy armor is a necessity for peasants, cav, elves, or archers. It can give them more armor to stay alive longer. Now take the fight to them if possible.
3: If you choose option three, you have a pretty decent economy. Like above, get cav (this is HIGHLY recommended as Rohan has the BEST cav) or Infantry. Then an armory, or heroes. Then, if you choose to get heroes, as soon as you have a few heroes, get the armory up, and fully upgrade your army. You now have a formidable army.

Late game: If you are this far in, you are probably either facing a Mordor player that got his walls, a Gondor player, or a Rohan player, or a very good Isen player. This is where the Last March of the Ents come in..... Oh, and if possible here, get the Blue Wizards.
1: I don't need to repeat here, but anyways, if you have your enemy boxed in, you can either get a seige ladder for your elves, or bombard the enemy with ents so you can get your cav in. If your enemy is an Isen or a Mordor without his walls, Ents are a necessity. Their range can keep them from hitting them, and if any come out to kill the ents, your army can kill them. Just bombard the enemy, weaken his defences, and go in for the kill when he is weak.
2: Same with above. But you should use your heroes to maximum effect here, your troops with get great results depending on what you got. For example, if you got cav, Theoden's Glorious Charge is GREAT with them. If you got infantry, Theodred's Stand Firm (I think that's the name :p ) is a MUST.
3: And again, same as above, but you SHOULD have a Cav army if you followed my advice. But here, get ents with Treebeard, bombard for a bit, then, send in the ents with melee on the mind.The enemy will go into disarray at the sight of ents if they don't have fire arrows.If they DO have fire arrows, retreat the ents and send in the cav instead. I don't need to continue here....

This is a guide by Ring Of Fate. Comment please. :w00t:
Edit: Edited some errors out.

Edited by Ring of Fate, 13 August 2009 - 07:16 AM.

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#3 Florisz

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 10:25 AM

Gordor tip: Legolas. Legolas! LEGOLAS! Yeah, Legolas is in Gondor now(some people find this op, eh Ring?) Just fill your castle camp whatsoever with farms and smiths and LEGOLAS. Legolas, Faramir, the Ranger Heroes, and normal Rangers are good. Good enough to get Ring mad :p

Spartan's strat :p

Edited by Florisz, 13 August 2009 - 02:28 PM.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:06 PM

Hehe stealing my strategy that i used to make ringy mad.


 

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#5 Ring o' Fate

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:10 PM

...Now I just find that an insult in itself. Compare that to my freaking guide. At least mine is DETAILED.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:27 PM

Its a TIP can't you read? :p


 

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#7 Florisz

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:27 PM

It's a tip :p The tip is to get Legolas as Gondor :p
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:29 PM

Oh. My bad. :p
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Posted 16 August 2009 - 10:57 AM

Hi everybody,,


Here my mordor strategy, it contains orcspam, orcspam and even more orcspam :p When the game start you build 2 slaughterhauses/furnace's, then you build a orc pit, you begin spamming orc archers, when you have enough rescources you build another orc pit, this time you only build regular orcs, and so on, you build another 2 orc pits, one for pikes and the other one just for archers or something else, you keep them spamming orcs, i know they are weak but if you keep spamming them on your enemy, you wil break his defences, after you killed enought men to buy the Morgul spell you destroy your orcpits and build a morgul barracks, from now on, you keep spamming morgul orcs, and thank to the cheap orcs, you have resources enough to build a lot of hero's and trolls/siege weapons, then you begin a assault on his camp, you don't have to worry about high losses because you can spam new orcs, you just need to break his walls and gate and send your troops in the castle, well that's it,

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#10 Zbyndaaa

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 08:39 PM

Hi GothmogtheOrc. The first of all i want to tell you that your mod is the best mod for Bfme1 i have ever seen. Kings of the west mod is great :-)
i have several guestions about some bugs.
1. when some unit kill Rohan Royal guards it seem this unit doesnt got experiences for killing royal guards
2. Rohan Royal Guards from stables dont receive bonuses from Eowyn
3. Eomer gives bonuses to all rohan units right? or not? Because it seems infantry and rohan royal guards from barracks
4. rohan royal guards from barrack when mounted dont receive bonuses from Elfhelm

I just look at picture under units whit shows that unit receive the bonuses.
Thanks for your answer.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 10:03 PM

2. I think Eowyn leadership only affects peasants.
3.Eomer Leadership only affects calvary.
Ill check the others if i have time.


 

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 11:49 AM

no, text of her leadership sounds - Damage +100% only affects Peasants and Royal Guard
but royal guards from barracks recieve bonuses from eowyn but royal guards from stablen dont.

Eomer provide bonuses for cavalry only in original Bfme1 but i wrote manual made by GothmogtheOrc and there is just Damage +75%, but nothing about cavalry only.

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 11:56 AM

I played skirmish vs Isengard, i played with heroes and single rohan royal guards only and after about 15 minutes i have lost all my bonuses for heroes and rohan royal guards, i destroyed everything except one Isengard building, i killed Grima, there were no rain but for sure I used Cloud Break. But my heroes and royal guards were still missing all his bonuses. WTF is that? when i bought new single royal guards from barracks they got bonuses from heroes, but all my heroes and royal guards I played all the time lost their bonuses forever. I do not understand. WTF does it mean????


and next question: in kings of the west mod guide you write that Men of the Westfold and Westfold Spearmen can be upgraded with weapon upgrade but in the game i cant upgrade them weapons.

Edited by Zbyndaaa, 17 September 2009 - 12:07 PM.


#14 Ring o' Fate

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 07:39 PM

Scroll in closer, they SHOULD appear. :p

Oh, Gothmog forgot to update the manual. :sad2:
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Posted 17 September 2009 - 08:10 PM

Thanks man ;-)

but that game with Isenguard was strange bacause units was week and that means they didnt recieve bonuses

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 01:23 AM

Is the rain of Isenguard deleting bonuses forever until it is broken by Cloud Break?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 01:42 AM

I am fairly sure that is so.
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 02:45 AM

No the rain is only active for 3 minutes then the bonuses come back but it still keeps raining until Cloud break breaks the rain. But Cloud break can also break the rain when its activated say its not 3mins and you use Could break and it will go away and the bonuses will come back.


 

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 10:17 AM

I tried it with my friends and after 5 minutes units were still without bonuses, because with heroes they were still weak in the battle, the rain were working more then 7 minutes until i broke it with cloak break. I am confused.

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