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#1 khamulrulz

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 10:11 PM

I was thinking that mordor could have black numenorean cavalry: the black company that escorts the mouth of sauron out of the black gates. black numenorean swordsmen or sorcerers (the mouth of sauron and the ringwraiths were both described as great sorcerers) could also be recruitable from the hall of the king's men (i know the name is taken from rotwk, but the original black numenoreans called themselves the king's men)

i think that with the departure of rhun and harad (and i hope in 4.8 the corsairs), black numenoreans could add a new dimension to mordor. they would probably be limited in number, acting as the very elite cavalry or heavy infantry.

i don't like quoting games workshop, because it isn't canon, but they also have "morgul knights", which are black numenoreans with armor and helmets similar to the mouth of sauron.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:08 AM

Hmmm...black numenoreans will fit for Mordor, And since Mordor might need some elite cavarly unit.I have nothing against this idea.
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Posted 28 October 2009 - 12:28 PM

I don't think Mordor "needs" anything really... they're the strongest faction - just like in the story/movies. If Frodo hadn't succeeded... all would have been lost

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 01:22 PM

black numenorean anti-hero cavalry would be cool though for a future beta though...
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Posted 28 October 2009 - 06:32 PM

I more or less like the idea of implementing BNs, but not as purchasable cavalry. If the Mouth of Sauron were implemented into Mordor, one of his possible abilities could be summoning three battalions of these Black Numenorean horsemen, as he was described to have had a company of mounted human soldiers at his back in the book.
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Posted 01 November 2009 - 01:53 AM

A good, semi cavalry would be a warg rider. I saw some (or rather just wargs maybe) run the flanks of the Gondor soldiers when the gate of Minas Tirith was smashed. It's really hard to notice because they move real fast, and i noticed after watching the movie 5 times. They could be made in the orc pit, mainly because there should be very few to a battalion (6 to even 1), or you could call them chieftains, because the orc chieftains rode wargs.

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 12:22 PM

That would give Wargs in both Isengard, Moria and Mordor... a bit booring IMO =p

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:30 PM

But all of the Good Factions use horses, do they not? :cool2: It makes sense that the Warg would suffice as an analogous counterpart to the horse for the Evil (not Men :lol:) Factions.

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Posted 01 November 2009 - 09:40 PM

No hold on, the Dwarves have no true cavalry, Only Battle Wagons. I did suggest Dalish cavalry at one point.

But I don't object to the idea of Wargs for Mordor, mabye as either part of Dol Guldur or single warg units that can be trained at the orc pits
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Posted 01 November 2009 - 10:08 PM

mordor didn't have much cavalry - they relied on their eastern and southern human allies for cavalry, except for a few black numenoreans who rode out with the mouth of sauron, and the nazgul of course.
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Posted 01 November 2009 - 10:19 PM

Although if you remember in the Two Towers book, The Witch King is described to have rode out of Minas Morgul with a company of Knights, presumably a mannish force of Murgul Knights.
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Posted 01 November 2009 - 11:29 PM

To make the wargs different, just make it a singular one who gives leadership. Wargs being "old", then so are horseman. I always wondered what it would be like with an orc battle wagon... Yeah, I didn't think so. :cool2:

I personally like the idea that dwarves have a battle wagon, and not horses. It doesn't fit the men of Dale, mainly because they live in the North, where it would probably be mountainous, and the Esgaroth wouldn't make sense because they live on a lake!

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 04:34 AM

In the extended edition of the film (RotK), Gothmog was shown riding a Warg. The lore supports this, I think, as Wargs of Mordor are mentioned in a few places. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 10:40 AM

Yeah Gothmog has a Warg mount in game... I forgot about that :p
But seriously, I think Mordor has enough power allready?
- 3 tribes of Orcs
- Black Uruks
- Trolls
- 9 Ringwraiths
- Grond
etc...

They don't need cavalry, and I don't think all factions should have an equalient force in other faction. Rock paper scissor? =p

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Posted 02 November 2009 - 06:31 PM

That is true,

But Mordor usually provided Mounts for all it's cheiftains and commanders, both orcs and fell men. In other words singular mounted units providing leadership. But that does push things a bit and borders on proportions that RA went to.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 06:58 PM

I think Gothmog with a warg is enough. Standard units don't need them.

Also, Black Numenoreans really belong with evil men, as they are, well, evil men. :p But that faction has enough cavalry, definitely.
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Posted 02 November 2009 - 07:42 PM

Yes, but they were far more closely aligned with Sauron and Mordor than the men of Rhun or Harad.
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Posted 26 March 2010 - 04:00 AM

Black numenorean horsemen, exactly what i was bragging about ever since the release of rotwk and why 3 battalians, why not an unlimited horde like any other non hero unit, heck as a lotr i love horses, and i wish for these herbivores yet fast and strong beasts to be for good and evil even for modor so why not! Posted Image

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 09:14 PM

i think he meant those that rode with the Mouth of Sauron as Black Numenoraen cavalry but a few hordes about 5-10 should be aloud to be built

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 08:34 PM

I was thinking that mordor could have black numenorean cavalry: the black company that escorts the mouth of sauron out of the black gates. black numenorean swordsmen or sorcerers (the mouth of sauron and the ringwraiths were both described as great sorcerers) could also be recruitable from the hall of the king's men (i know the name is taken from rotwk, but the original black numenoreans called themselves the king's men)

i think that with the departure of rhun and harad (and i hope in 4.8 the corsairs), black numenoreans could add a new dimension to mordor. they would probably be limited in number, acting as the very elite cavalry or heavy infantry.

i don't like quoting games workshop, because it isn't canon, but they also have "morgul knights", which are black numenoreans with armor and helmets similar to the mouth of sauron.



But it's right, The black numenoreans did ride on horseback while in the battle for the north as well as the siege of minas tirith before the southrons.




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